CMWC Webinar (Oct 5, 2023)

Dr. Shawn Talbott (Ph.D., CNS, LDN, FACSM, FACN, FAIS) has gone from triathlon struggler to gut-brain guru! With a Ph.D. in Nutritional Biochemistry, he's on a mission to boost everyday human performance through the power of natural solutions and the gut-brain axis.

Here is the video from our Weekly Webinar for Certified Mental Wellness Coaches – and the transcript is pasted below.

This was a special “Q&A Session” for Certified Mental Wellness Coaches (CMWCs) where we dove into some of the more complex questions that are better answered in a video than on a text discussion.

Here are some that I think you might find interesting…

Should we rotate probiotic strains?

How to find “reputable” supplements?

Combining herbals with antidepressants?

Replacements for Pharma drugs?

Stepdown therapy? (getting off pharmaceutical drugs)

Scope of practice? (therapists, nurses, NPs, etc)…

Cortisol rhythm and tissue healing?


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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Alright. Everyone thanks for joining me tonight. So last week we we didn’t have a live webinar webinar, because my schedule just went all Ko blue we had at Amari. We had the 2
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: We had the International Convention in Salt Lake City, so we were launching new products and all kinds of stuff was happening. So that was really cool event. We launched a new new kids. Ca, kind of a kid sleep product. We? It’s called kids. Com it it has corn grass in it. We’ll talk about sleep, and you know, in some of our other 3
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: other lectures. In fact, next week. What is it now? Maybe 2 weeks from now? One of my Amari science calls is gonna be about the 3 main reasons that people have trouble sleeping. One of them is a sort of a melatonin issue, and what this new product does is helps your body make more melatonin. Naturally. So you don’t have to take Melatonin. You guys have. If you’ve been through the sleep module in this course. Already different people are at different points of the course. But if you’ve been through that sleep module. 4
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: you know I am not a fan of Melatonin for a variety of reasons. 5
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: so that’s one reason, but the other reasons are maybe you don’t make enough, Gaba, to help you fall asleep. And maybe your blood sugar fluctuates or your cortisol level fluctuates, and both of those 2 things can can can wake you up at night. So I’m gonna talk about how to fall asleep. Better how to stay asleep better, and how to get better sleep quality. So that’ll be that’ll be in a in a in a couple of weeks, and we’ll do a we can do. We can do a sort of a deep dive 6
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: webinar on that if you will. If you if if you guys are interested in so tonight, what I wanna do is kind of troubleshoot a a bunch of sort of complicated things. So in the in the discussion area which I love is being more and more a more and more active, as we have more 7
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: as we have more certified mental wellness coaches going through, we’re getting lots of questions in there. We’re getting students that are starting to interact with each other, you know, jumping in and saying like, Hey, here’s my 2 cents on this question that was asked. I want to go through 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 that have been in there recently in the last couple of weeks that are a little bit complicated to answer 8
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: in. In a in a typing text, exchange, right? So it’ll let me sort of walk through a little bit and explain at a little bit more deep, like deeper, more nuanced level. And then, if you guys have questions like, if I haven’t done a good job of explaining it. We can, you know, we can sort of. We can sort of tease that out. So I wanna go through those. And I wanna, you know, answer your questions like we do every week that we that we hold this. So 9
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: you know, like, always put your stuff in the put your questions in the chat or raise your hand electronically, and I can call on you and we can. And we can. We can do it that way. 10
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: so yeah, you guys can see that I’m I’m I’m cleanly shaved. I don’t have my beard right now. I’m running the Chicago Marathon this weekend to raise money for a for a teen 11
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: suicide prevention organization in Chicago called Erica’s Lighthouse. So II always before big race. I always shave down it may. I don’t know if it makes me more aerodynamic or or what, but I just but it’s something I’ve been doing for years, and now it’s a superstition. So now I have to like, I have to eat the same meal right before the race. I have to. I have to be cleanly shaved. So anyway, people ask me all the time, like, you know. 12
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: where’d your beard go? And I’m like, well, I have a have a race this weekend. That’s that’s where my beard went. So anyway, let’s let’s jump into this. So the first one, I think, might have been a question from the webinar that we did a couple of weeks ago, where I, where I did a deep dive about 13
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: probiotic strain specificity, and so in that one, it’s posted up on my blog. It’s posted here in canvas. It’s posted on Youtube. So it’s a really important concept. So I posted lots of different places for coaches, certified coaches to to have access to, but also to be able to share, sort of, you know, widely with with people who need to understand this. So in that in that lecture 14
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: we talked about the fact that some strains of bacteria are psychobiotics right? They can help your depression or your anxiety, or your stress levels, or whatever some of them can help with appetite control, so they can change the signals that come from your gut and tell your brain. Are you hungry, or are you not hungry? Are you satiated? Some of those strains can be involved with 15
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: inflammatory balance or immune system, control or etc., etc., right? So that whole idea of specific strains having very specific effects, I think, that set off a whole. Another series of questions around this idea, which is a little bit of a myth of. And the question is, should we rotate probiotic strains? And the answer is, typically, no, there’s no reason that you need to do that. There’s a there’s this sort of 16
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: myth that goes around the Internet every once in a while, and so you know it. It it, you know it sort of like peaks, and then goes away, and then peaks, and then goes away. That you should, that that you should rotate your your strains. And that doesn’t make a lot of sense. If you understand the concept of strain specificity meaning you’re taking a specific strain for a specific benefit. And if you continue to have that 17
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specific need, you should take that specific strain. So if we’re talking about psychobiotic strains. 18
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: If you’re under stress all the time, by all means take an anti-stress probiotic, just like you would take an anti-stress herbal, or an anti-stressed vitamin, or or get your exercise, or get your sleep, or any of the things that you would do to control stress. Certainly take that that anti-stress strain during the times that you’re under a lot of stress. If you’re if you’re if you need more immune system support. 19
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: right? So you know, now we’re heading into into fall, and we’re heading into the, you know, the cold and flu season. We’re seeing Covid Spike in lots of different places. In fact, when I was travelling this past weekend, I saw a lot more masks in the airport than I’ve seen in a in a long time, because, you know, Covid is re, you know, rearing its head again. So during that time you might want to be taking more of some of the immune support strains that are out there, or other kinds of immune support supplements. Because you wanna sort of match 20
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: the stress that you’re under. And in this case the immune system stress with the support that you’re doing, the the the way to get your immune system to meet that stress. So it’s sort of like, you know, you’re matching your supplement regimen with your exposure to whatever it is that we’re talking about. So 21
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: sure, by all means do that. But there, there’s no need to say, Oh, I’ve taken this strain for a month, and I need to take another strain for another month or another strain for another month or another strain for another month, except in one sort of unique situation, which is, if you have just gone through like an antibiotic round, and your and your microbiome might be kind of decimated. 22
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: You might want to rotate through a bunch of different strains, so you might take one product to repopulate your microbiome that has these 5 strains, and then the next month you might take a different product that has a different 5 strains, and take that for a month, and then the next month you take a different product that has different strains, and you take that for a month, so I could see where, where 23
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: rotating might make sense in a situation like that. But I don’t think, you know, if we follow that principle of probiotic strain specificity, you’re always choosing a strain for a specific benefit, and there’s no need to rotate on and off that unless that benefit or less, that set of benefits that you’re looking for is coming and going. Does that make sense to everybody? If it doesn’t, if it doesn’t make sense, then let me know. Let me know in the chat, or or raise your hand, and we can. And we can dive into that a little bit more. 24
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: so yeah. So Donna, yeah. Swimmers, cyclists, runners, all shave all sorts of different parts of their bodies to to to go faster. So that’s that’s a that’s a pretty common thing with with with endurance athletes. So Laura has a question here. If you’re on an antibiotic. 25
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: should you stop taking your probiotic? No. So as long as you take them apart from each other. It’s actually recommended that when you are on an antibiotic, that you’re taking an antibiotic, or when you’re on an antibiotic, you’re taking a probiotic and hopefully a broad spectrum probiotic separately from your antibiotic. So if you take them separate. 26
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: they’re not gonna interfere with each other. If you’re taking it versus not taking it. The probiotic you’re you’re not preventing the damage to your microbiome of the antibiotic, but you’re lessening it to a to a 27
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: to a certain level. There’s no probiotic that’s gonna prevent an antibiotic from killing off your microbiome. But you can. You can make the damage a little bit less so. If II haven’t taken antibiotic in a long, long time, probably, since I was a little kid. But if I had to go take one, I’m not anti antibiotic. Right? There’s there’s certain situations where you need them. But if I ever had to go, take one, I would definitely make sure I was taking a broad spectrum, probiotic. 28
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: an hour, 2 h separate from whenever whenever the dosing strategy is for that antibiotic 30
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: why wouldn’t you take different strains at once if you wanted to repopulate? Well, you would be, you know, if you but you might take different products. So product. A might have these 5 strains and product B might have completely 5 different strains. You probably wouldn’t take both of those products together, you could, I guess, but from a from a standpoint of a little bit of diversity, it wouldn’t be 31
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: a bad idea to change and change and change. But then, at the end of that you’re probably repopulated. And you don’t need to keep taking those products long term, because a lot of those products for repopulating are really really high dose products. You know, some of those products are in the trillions. I wish at a natural products show in Philadelphia a couple of weeks ago, and there were plenty of those kinds of products. You usually find them at health food stores 32
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: where they’ll be, instead of being, like. 33
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: you know, 3 billion or 10 billion, like some of the products in the Umari product line. They are, you know, 500 billion or a trillion. And those certainly you wouldn’t want to be taking those, you know, on a on a on a daily basis. More isn’t always better. Okay? Alright. So that’s the that’s the first one, should we rotate probiotic strains? And the answer is generally not necessary. 34
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: This one was an interesting question. It. It basically boils down to, how do you find reputable supplements and reputable? This in quotation marks it’s hard, you know. I say this all the time, and I say this like I say this honestly to all the journals that I talk about right when I get interviewed for media articles and things like that. There’s a lot more junk on the market. 35
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Then there is good stuff, and as a consumer it makes it really, really difficult to go out and find a good product. Right? If you go on, Amazon, and you’re looking for a specific product. There’s there’s thousands and thousands of choices in the category that you’re looking in. And it’s it’s mind boggling to figure out which is the best one, and you get. You know you get Amazon’s choice, and that’s usually just the one that is. 36
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: you know the best margin for them. It isn’t necessarily the best product, right? So don’t don’t fall into that trap. Where it really boils down to is, are they using 37
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: research back ingredients? Are they using them at the right levels? And if you ask for sort of the research, and I say that sort of in quotation marks. If you’re if you’re not looking at me right now. The research companies that have research either on their ingredients or on their finished product, are usually really happy to go out of their way, to make that information widely available. So 38
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: and choose Amari for, for for example. And this is a soapbox I get up on all the time. We at Amari we have. If you go to the product page. 39
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: or if you go to the to the information page for any specific product. You’re gonna see specific research, you’re gonna be able to click on a document. That is our technical data sheet. And you’re gonna see all the research on all the ingredients in the product. Sometimes there’s a there’s a there’s a study on the finished product, not just on the raw materials. And so if there’s that sort of data, you’ll see that front and center, if that information isn’t there, and it’s more commonly not there than it is. There 40
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: you should keep looking. You should look for products that say, Hey, here’s the product. Here’s our research, or here’s the product. Here’s our patent, or here’s the product. Here’s the ingredient we’re basing our claims on. And here’s the study or studies on that particular ingredient. Right. So we go out of our way to make that information available. Most companies and I saw a really good example of this this morning. 41
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Somebody sent me a link of a company. I’m not gonna tell you the name, cause I don’t. Wanna I don’t wanna bash anybody. I just wanna tell you guys what’s what’s what’s available out there? It was a a very, very close knock off in the language. For what amari’s Fundamentals product is all about so fundamentals is a product for the gut, a product for the brain, a product for the axis in between that sort of connects the 2 brains. 42
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: And this company had knocked it. It looked. It looked almost exact. Right? There’s the the like, the format of the products. The canisters that they were in looked almost exactly the same. The language about the gut brain axis was almost the same. The ingredients were very different. So if you first looked at it, you would say, Oh, my gosh! It looks beautiful like the like the packaging, the physical 43
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: showing up of the product you’re like. Oh, that’s great! Then you would see how it was explained. And you go. Wow! That sounds really cool. I’ve been hearing a lot about the microbiome, and I’ve been hearing a lot about the gut brain access. And I’ve been hearing a lot about mental wellness. So this sounds, this sounds awesome. 44
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: But if you didn’t go click, click, click, click into their website and find their supplement fax panels and find their ingredient profiles. You wouldn’t realize. Oh, well, wait a minute. They’re using generic 45
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: probiotics. They’re not using any strain specificity. They’re not using any standardized or branded herbal ingredients. They’re using generic versions of Ashwaganda and things like that. And so like, if you didn’t go to that next level of research right? It looks nice. It sounds nice. What’s actually in the product. And then, like, understood all Ashwinatas, aren’t. There aren’t the same, and all probiotics aren’t the same. And, etc. 46
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: If you didn’t go to that level you you would. You would be stuck. But a lot of consumers are just not gonna go to that level. That’s one of the things that we do as coaches is to say. Well, wait a minute. You know, it can look good, and it can sound good. But is it gonna work? Good, you know? Is it gonna work the right way? Because it’s the right ingredient. So that’s the that’s the the best thing that you can do. To find a reputable supplement is to say, Okay. 47
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: you know what, what, what ingredient are you using? Here’s here’s a great example. We’re and we’re going to talk about this next week. 48
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: This month is national Adhd awareness month. Right so. And this will lead into this will lead into our next question. It’s one thing for us to say, hey, we can help you with your mental focus. Right? We can, or or even to say like, Hey, my friend, or my client or my clients. Kid, has Adhd, what can we do for that right? 49
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: What we don’t want to do is is go the next level and say they’ve been diagnosed with this disease. They’re on this many milligrams of a pharmaceutical like Ritalin, or something like that. What do we have that can replace that right? Every step down the disease? 50
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Definition leads us closer to making it a a a disease treatment claim. So we don’t wanna do that so so we’re gonna talk about what we can specifically do, even though. And I think I maybe I’ve talked about this before, even though 51
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: where is it? 52
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: I always have it on my desk. Here’s one, even though this product at Amari. This is, this is kids mood, right? You can probably see it in the thing right now. This is promoted by Amari as a way to help people focus and reduce stress and just just feel, feel better with mood and and clarity and things like that. Right? Those are all legal to say 53
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: they’re all what we call structure function claims. None of those are disease claims. Where people get really excited is, they’ll say, Oh, kids. Mood plus, it helps you focus. There’s an ingredient in here. A specific saffron extract that in clinical trials has been shown to be equivalent to a drug called Methophenidate, which is which is basically Ritalin. So people get really excited about that and say, Oh, kids, mood is equivalent to ritalin kids. Mood can be used to treat Adhd. 54
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: That’s where we have to not cross the line right? Stay on the side of improve your mood, improve your focus, improve your engagement. Help with behavior, lower stress. Those are all the kinds of things that have been shown in the saffron studies and also in the in the Amari study on the on the finished product kids mood. But for the for the, for the occasion of 55
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: national Adhd awareness month, we’re gonna we’re gonna dive deep into that and not just talk about saffron. But we’ll talk about Theani, and we’ll talk about pine bark, and we’ll talk about some of the other things that can be used for for mental focus, and we’ll probably do that next week. So anyway, that’s a that’s that’s an example. Th. This, this leads so reputable supplements. This leads into my next topic, which is which is using supplements for replacements for pharmaceutical drugs. 56
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: So in the discussion section of the of the of canvas. I’m getting a lot of questions saying like, Here’s my client and a description of the client. They’ve been diagnosed with this disease and that disease. Here’s all the medications that they’re taking. Here’s the side effects that they’re having from those medications. Here’s you know 57
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: what they’re looking for, what supplements, you know. Could you tell me what? What? What supplements to recommend? Some of those I’ve just deleted? So if that was your question, and you don’t see it in there anymore. I’ve deleted it. And here’s and here’s why. And some of them I’ve said, Hey, I’m gonna answer this on the webinar and here’s why 58
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: just like I described there, it’s one thing to say. I know someone who has this disease. Can we help them 59
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: right? Well, help them? How we can’t help them by treating that disease. That isn’t what supplements do. It’s not what nutrition does. It’s not what exercise does. It’s not what getting better quality sleep does. It’s not what get getting a better. A better diet does like all the things that we recommend as coaches are all natural lifestyle interventions. And so none of those can treat can treat diseases right 60
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: the more that we get into. Here’s their disease. Let me describe it. Here’s their medication regimen. Let me describe it. Let me document everything about this person’s medical situation. 61
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Don’t do that. Okay, please please don’t do that. II understand where it’s coming from, right. It’s coming from a place of you want to help this person, and that’s awesome. But we? We just can’t go in that direction like I get people who email me their medical records all the time. They say, Hey, here’s my blood work, screenshot screenshot screenshot. Can you? Can you give me some advice? And II delete them. I like. I don’t want those screenshots, because 62
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: the advice I’m going to give back to them is, well, you’re in a situation of X. 63
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: If you wanna feel better mental wellness or physical health, I can recommend this. I could recommend something that lowers your inflammation. I can re recommend something that lowers your cortisol. I can re recommend something that increases your neurotransmitters. I can recommend something that 64
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: you guys get the idea right? We have to always sort of steer away from the disease orientation and steer towards the lifestyle. Healthy. Help your body work better orientation? Does that make sense to everybody? That’s and I mean that that’s partly scope of practice, which is another question that I’m going to get into. 65
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: But it’s also just partly keeping your butt out of the crosshairs of someone who 66
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: wants to report you in. You know, whatever jurisdiction right again, I understand that we’re all trying to help people, and they want to give us this information, but we always have to sort of gently guide it back towards. Well, it sounds like you’re out of balance in this way and that way. Let’s look if we, if we have a natural way to improve that balance in that way. And that way. 67
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Okay, are there any questions about that? Or does anybody want to discuss this? Because it’s a it’s a, it’s a really important thing. And I like, I don’t. I don’t want any of you guys to get in trouble because you’re because you’re taking it down the wrong direction. 68
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Yeah, the line. The language is really important. And it’s it’s you know. II actually at at the convention, which was which was held in Salt Lake City in Utah. 70
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: II was talking to a couple of pharmacists that want to sort of get out of the. I don’t know if they want to get out of the drug prescribing, but they add, but they want to bring in more of of natural recommendations. They can give to people. And so one of the one of the stories that 1 one of them shared with me was that she was reported so. She has a very vibrant tiktok. I don’t do anything on Tiktok. I don’t know anything about Tiktok, but she has a very vibrant tiktok 71
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: educational platform, and so she’s a pharmacist, right? Registered, licensed all the things that you need, and she makes recommendations about supplements. And you know, research back nutraceuticals and things like that, and she got reported to her 72
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: licensing organization in her state. For you know. 73
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: people who weren’t happy with with with with what she was doing. And so she had to go back through, and it took time and effort. And and you know the whole psychology, you know, mental mental work, mental strain for her to go back and say, Look, this is what I said. This is what I was recommending it. I wasn’t recommending this supplement to replace this drug. I wasn’t trying to treat diseases, and she was perfectly cleared of everything because she was doing it the right way. 74
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: But it’s just stressful when there’s like there’s lots of people out there who 75
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: aren’t aren’t gonna like what we’re doing because it it goes against the you know, the the big medical model. Right? So so we just have to make sure that we and II don’t say this to scare anybody right? I don’t want people to not then then go. Well, I just won’t say anything, because I don’t wanna get in trouble. No, we just. We just have to do it the right way and get across the right point. So anyway. 76
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: I’m gonna step off the soapbox now. But let me know if there’s any other any other questions about that. This leads into another question that has been I’ve gotten from a couple of different health professionals about scope of practice. So I just gave you the example of a pharmacist that’s recommending things that aren’t drugs. So in 77
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: in a pharmacist’s scope of practice, right? They would recommend this drug for this disease, and they’re allowed to do that all day long. Right? That’s their scope of practice. 78
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: When they now come and say, Well, here’s this supplement for this disease. They’ve clearly gone out of their scope of practice. But what if they’re on their instead of being in their pharmacy? 79
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: What if they’re in their private life on their tick tock, for example. And now they’re recommending this supplement for this lifestyle indication. Right? This. Let’s let’s go back to saffron. They’re recommending saffron for mental focus, whereas in the in, in their, in their private life right their private tiktok page, which is not associated with their with their job as a pharmacist. 80
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: in in the pharmacy setting. They can say, Here is Ritalin for a DHDA drug for the disease. And out here they can say, Here’s saffron to help you focus better. 81
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: You just have to make sure that you’re doing it in separate places and making it really, really clear. There’s there are academics that I follow in the social media sphere. There are medical professionals that I follow in the social media sphere, who, at the beginning of their podcast for example, they’ll say, I just want to make this clear that this podcast is separate from my responsibilities. Ad. 82
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Xyz University is separate from my responsibilities at XYZ. Medical Center. And it is, you know, my desire to help people, you know, be educated and understand Science and Health and blah blah blah, right? So like, as long as we’re very clear about those distinctions, your scope of practice can can be one scope here professionally and another scope there sort of 83
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: personally, all right. But you have to make a clear distinction where people get in trouble, and this is the only place I’ve ever seen somebody get in trouble is when those worlds end up blending too much. So you’re a therapist, for example, and in your 84
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: capacity as a therapist you recommend to a parent something that should be out here and it. And and that’s where people get bent out of shape. Because now you’re you’ve you’ve 85
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: You’ve sort of gray area, your scope of practice. Right? II talk to lots and lots of personal trainers who feel like their scope of practice is only exercise recommendations, and they shouldn’t do nutrition, and I talk to a lot of dieticians who feel like their scope of practice should be nutrition, and they should never make exercise recommendations. And I that’s a little 86
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: different than this, because neither of those are disease orientations. But I think that if you, if you’re a therapist if you’re a mental wellness, counselor, if you’re a nurse, if you’re a nurse practitioner, if you’re somebody with a with a with a license, you just have to make sure that the line is clear. And you’re doing this here. And you’re doing that there. Does that make sense to everybody? 87
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Or if it doesn’t make sense to somebody, or if you if you want a clarification, please unmute or put something. 88
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Yeah. So thanks, Shawn. First off I caught the live for the convention, loved your T-shirt worked, and I got one. I had a few T-shirts. I had a lot of wardrobe changes at the, you know, on stage. Thank you, though happy as a new sexy. Thank you. 90
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Leo Ferreira – Adelaide, Australia: Yeah. So I was one of those that said a friend, some meds and stuff to you. And you said answer, because it was a 2 91
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Leo Ferreira – Adelaide, Australia: complex to email. But then are we just looking at how we can enhance their lifestyle? So if she can’t sleep, then go to calm or mood 92
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Yeah. So so here’s a here’s a here’s a here’s another example that might. It’s a it’s an actual like like, concrete example. So I get questions asked a lot about neurological diseases, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s that kind of stuff. And people will say, My mom, my dad is, you know, has symptoms of of Alzheimer’s now, and they and they they get confused at night. Or my dad has Parkinson’s, and he’s exhausted all the time, or something like that. So in that situation you can say, well. 95
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: we can’t change the course of that disease with any of the products that we work with or any of the lifestyle recommendations that we can that we can give as coaches. But what we can do is we probably can help that person with Alzheimer’s to focus better right? That focusing better isn’t changing the course of their disease. And we can do focus better with pomegranate extract or with pine bark extract. Or 96
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: there’s a. There’s a variety of ways we can go with that. W. In Parkinson’s. What like I just said one of the big symptoms is that there is that they get fatigued very easily, right? So we don’t want to say that we’re changing the course of Parkinson’s, but we can improve their energy levels with, you know, with green tea, or with 97
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: mangal leaf extract, or with light chief fruit, or with, you know, the list goes on and on, so like that person is gonna feel better. That person is gonna perform better. That person is, gonna be less fatigued or less confused, or whatever. But 98
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: do better perform better, feel better. Those are all things we can talk about all day long, and we’re gonna help them because of that. But we didn’t change their disease. Does that make sense? So so in your example, Leo, you know that person, they might have this condition that is causing them to have problems with sleep. But we’re gonna leave this condition to the side. And we’re gonna say, we alright. You’re having problems with sleep. Why don’t we try this or this or this to help improve your sleep? 100
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: so common would be a good place to go sleep, plus would be a good place to go. You know, when I when I talk about this, when I talk about Gaba production, one of the strains of bacteria that’s in antibiotics, and I go to think of which one it is. I think it’s the Lactobacillus Remnosis 11 102
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: that is Agba producing bacteria and so you could take that right before bed. 103
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Ha! Half an hour hour before bed, and that bacteria is gonna make more, gaba, and so you’ll have more gaba on board, so it’ll de-stress you. So that’ll help you fall asleep. We’re gonna talk about some cortisol controllers like Ashwaganda, and things like that which can lower cortisol. And if that’s the thing that’s waking you up at night or interfering with your ability to fall asleep. Then that’s a. You know, we’re not treating insomnia. 104
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: but we’re helping people sleep better. Okay, it gets into like, you know, it’s it’s it’s frustrating. Sometimes, you know, that we have to have these dance around conversations in order to deliver what people are looking for. But 105
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: that’s that’s what the law is in a lot of places. Okay. I’m not sure if I shared this story before I’ve shared it. I’ve shared it. Lots of places. I don’t know if I’ve shared it in the in in this forum, but we had a group 106
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: here at our mental wellness retreat in Massachusetts, a group of nurse practitioners there were. 107
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: and we were having this discussion. So they were. They’re all nurse practitioners, right? All all licensed for that. They all came in to get certified as as certified mental wellness. Coaches they stay. It was like a like a 3 day course, and 109
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: this is something that kind of blew me away a little bit. We were talking about scope of practice, and I was having this discussion right as Nps. You have a license. You’re allowed to do this. You’re not allowed to do that. You can’t treat, you know. You can’t take these supplements into your clinic and start using them as replacements for pharmaceuticals. We had that whole discussion, and then and then I sort of said offhandedly, you know no one wants to lose their license right? Ha, ha, ha! 110
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: And one of it was like, Well, wait a minute. The whole reason we’re here is because we’re letting our licenses lapse. And I went. 111
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: When what? What are you talking about? Every single one of them was was just not gonna renew their licenses when the time came up, and I don’t know if I don’t know what n piece, if it’s every year, or or how it works, but like with like, with nutritionists like me and mass every it’s every 2 years that we have to do it. Did somebody wanna say something? 112
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: No, that was just that was just background noise. So what they were doing was they all wanted to go more the holistic route. They wanted to do more lifestyle interventions and more supplement interventions. And and basically, they were gonna become life coaches with a supplement health orientation. That’s what that’s what they wanted to do with their careers 113
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: and being Nps was interfering with their ability to do that because it was very restricting. And so they didn’t wanna get into somebody reporting them or somebody pulling their license. They were just gonna say, we don’t need the license anymore because we don’t wanna do that anymore. We wanna do this other thing right? So I just thought it was, I thought it was very forward, thinking that they were like. 114
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: why should I even maintain my license? If it’s just going to get in the way of my ability to talk openly about what I want to talk about. So you know, maybe a unique situation. I don’t know if there’s any any nps on the call tonight, but that was 115
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: their focus. Let me look in the chat real quick, and see if there’s anything else before I step off to the next one. 117
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: clarify. Okay. So Cheryl say to clarify, if you’re doing an educational class, or having a conversation as a therapist. Can you talk in general about supplements or ingredient recommendations, or say sleep or focus? I think, no matter who you are. It’s always a good idea to steer away from 119
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: if you, if there’s a product sale anywhere in there, right? So I talk a lot in my seminars about diseases. Because I’ll say, let’s let’s go back. Let’s go back to Saffron again. Right? Saffron and Adhd. There’s data there. Pomegranate extract and Alzheimer’s. There’s data there. What would be another really good example? 121
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: What would be another really good example? Oh, sometimes I talk about cancer, and I’ll talk about Beta Glucans that come from mushrooms. I’m sorry, Beta Glucans that come from yeast or alpha Glucans that come from mushrooms, and I’ll talk specifically about their anti-cancer effects. Right? You can’t get more disease than talking about cancer. But when I’m doing it, I’m always talking about education and science. And here’s this new paper, and and here’s the magnitude of effect. 123
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Because I don’t have a business of selling products. Right? I’m not. I’m not a product distributor. I don’t do. I don’t do individual counseling very often. So like that’s not my business. Somebody could never come back to me and say, oh, you recommended that product, and you’re making a sale, and you’re making, you know, $10 off the sale of that product. Right? So 124
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: that’s that’s a that’s an important distinction. So I’m I’m I’m talking to other scientific colleagues or other clinical colleagues, or I’m educating students. 125
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: So I have a little more leeway. And you would have a little more leeway if it’s purely an educational thing. But as soon as you say and I can, I can send this to you or and I can build you a shopping cart like as soon as that product sale is tied, then it becomes more real about linking a product to a disease. 126
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Okay? So if that question, Cheryl, if you’re asking that question about if you’re just doing an educational class and just trying to get more information out to people. Then then then you actually have have a wider leeway, because you’re not actually trying to make a product sale right there. 127
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Patty Sherwood: if I’m hearing you correctly like, because I personally carry multiple diagnosis from physicians. 131
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Patty Sherwood: I’m an Amari brand. 132
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Patty Sherwood: and to lessen the 134
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Patty Sherwood: effects like, I’m using the meant to sync to help. I have 5 of my option, and I use the kids moves plus for my Adhd to help focus. I’m never using the word heel 135
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Patty Sherwood: because what I have cannot be healed period. 136
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Patty Sherwood: But I use all of our supplements and the supplements to help and assist and aid in these things are those proper terminology? 137
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Part, partly so. So you can. You can always share your personal story right? Some people will call the testimonial. You can say, here’s my experience. I have fibromyalgia. 138
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: and you’re not using meant to sync, to treat your fibromyalgia you’re using meant to sync to help support your immune system so that you get whatever benefit you you feel like you’re getting right. Your energy level is better, or your flexibility is better. Or or you know, whatever the case may be. Yup, so 139
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: you can. You can talk about that all day long, right where you need to not go is to say, and you and and and you already said this right meant to sync is treating my fibromyalgia. That’s a disease claim. 140
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: You also don’t want to say to somebody that you’re counseling, and if it worked for me it will work for you 141
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: right as soon as you promise that. Then you’ve also stepped over the line. So this one, going this way meant to sync to treat a disease that steps over the FDA line. But then, promising that someone’s gonna get that same result that you got that steps over the Ftc line because you can’t tell like, is that true? Well, you don’t know. You have no idea. If it’s actually gonna work for that person, you could say it worked for me, and you could try it and see what it does for you. 142
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Okay? So along those lines, here’s, here’s, here’s an example of how II just recorded last week. I recorded it. It hasn’t posted yet. I might it. It might post next week. 144
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: I did. I did a webinar about 145
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: chronic fatigue, and lyme disease right? All those 4 which are kind of like syndrome kind of situations that are really really hard to diagnose, really, really hard to get resolution of symptoms for for a lot of people. But they share a lot of the same dysfunctions across the gut brain access. Some of them are more 147
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: mit ctl and microbiome gut oriented. Some of them are more immune, system oriented, some are more inflammatory oriented. So I went through those 4 conditions. And I said, Here’s what’s going wrong with those 4 conditions. Here’s where the dysfunctions are, and leaky gut and that kind of stuff. And here’s what I would recommend. People take a look at. And I recommended a lot of ingredients right. I wanted this to be something that I could talk very openly about, and not have to kind of 148
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: pull myself back with claims, language, and talking about research and things like that because I was talking about products. So I didn’t talk about any Emri products. I didn’t talk about 149
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: fundamentals. I didn’t talk about happy juice. I didn’t talk about meant to sink. I didn’t talk about anything, but I talked about ingredients. I talked about specific strains of bacteria. I talked about specific 150
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: alpha Glucans, Beta Glucans I talked about like, you know, that kind of stuff. And so somebody could. 151
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: you know, if they, if they were an Amari person they could go. Oh, I know that ingredient. It’s in this product. I know that other ingredient. It’s in this product. I know that ingredient like they could do that background work and and go. Oh, I know exactly what he’s talking about. But the average consumer who listens to this on Youtube isn’t gonna know that they’re gonna go. Oh, okay, there seems to be research. And hopefully they’ll go and and educate themselves and look up their actual research and say. 152
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: oh, Beta, Glucans and immune system. Oh, okay. And you know. But like, that’s that’s how we have to do it. So you can give information in one way, and you have to do product sales in. In another way. 153
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: and like, I said, it’s frustrating, but that’s that’s how it is, and we want to. We want to stay on the right side, the right side of the regulations. 154
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: The other question I was going to have in here was replacements for pharmaceutical drugs. But I think we’ve I think we’ve kind of covered that right. I get a lot of questions where somebody says I’m on this or my client is on this medication. What could I recommend? Instead? That’s natural right? And that 155
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: also steps over the lines. You’re not talking specific diseases, but that’s something the pharmaceutical industry really really hates. And if they see that kind of thing going across the you know the social media channels, then then it then it makes it. It makes it problematic for everybody, right? So 156
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: even though the data exists to show this saffron equivalent to Ritalin or this saffron equivalent to Prozac. There are studies that show that we have to separate that from really talking about when we’re when we’re recommending a specific product. Okay, all the all the things that we’ve that we’ve already sort of covered. Let’s see. 157
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: So step down. Therapy was another one that I got a couple of questions for this week in the in the discussion section. So step down therapy is 158
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: The the idea of using a supplement to replace a pharmaceutical drug which we. We don’t really wanna recommend right? We can’t make that specific linkage. But if someone is gonna do that right, there’s plenty of people that we’re gonna encounter, where, even if we say I can’t recommend that you take this herb instead of your Prozac or this herb instead of your 159
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Ambien, we we can’t make that recommendation, because that’s the disease recommendation. They’re gonna do it, anyway. And as coaches, we wanna say, Look, this is how it would be done. We recommend you. Go talk to your prescriber and do it in partnership with them. But if you’re gonna do it yourself, this is what we recommend. Step down therapy works like this 160
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: you keep them on, whatever the medication is that they’re taking. So let’s use. You know, we just launched this kids calm product. And so people are talking a lot about sleep. Lots of people want to get off their sleep drugs. So let’s do it. Let’s say somebody was going to take sleep plus corn, grass or kids calm corn grass, and they were going to try to replace their ambien, that they’re on right now, or replace their melatonin, their, you know, their synthetic hormone that they’re taking 162
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: a step down. Regimen would look like this. You keep taking one 100% of whatever that thing is that you want to get off of while you add the new thing. 163
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: So now you’re taking a full dose of the old thing and a full dose of the new thing, and you do that for a week. 164
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Then week 2, you come down off the thing you want to get off of. So if it’s a medication or it’s a synthetic supplement, you would come down 166
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: 2550%. And that that first step. Well, all the steps are going to be a little bit determined by what dosage you’re taking or what format you’re taking. So if you can. 167
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: If you can. If you have a tablet you can split it in half. That makes it really easy. If you’re working with a prescriber, you might be on 100 milligrams of something, and there might be a 75 milligram dose that they can switch you to, so you can come down 25, or maybe there’s a 50 milligram dose they can switch you to, and you come down by 50. So you would do that first step, whatever it is 25 to 50% for another week. 168
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Right? So full dose of the supplement. Now, it’s now it’s a 25% less dose or a 50% less dose. And you do that for a week. And during that week you’re you’re you’re taking stock of. How do I feel? Was that a good step down. Am I still feeling good? Am I feel it, maybe feeling better than I was before? If if you feel good at the end of that week you do another step down 169
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: 25 to 50, then end of the next week you do another step down. So the ideal way you would do. It is over the course of a month. You would do a 25% step down, then another 25% down, then another 25, and then another 25%. And so after the course of 4 or 5 weeks depending on when you start counting. 170
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: you’re down to 0 of the drug or 0 of the synthetic. And you’re still on that 100% of the natural. And so at every step you’re asking yourself, how am I feeling? Did I step too far? And I’m starting to feel weird that I not you know 171
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: you have to keep asking how you’re feeling and the the reason step down therapy can get. 172
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: And that example is really simple. Right? Well, you know, of course, that makes logical sense. The reason it can get complicated is a lot of times people are not on just one thing that can be stepped easy like 25%, 25%, 25%, 25%. Sometimes you can’t make those those easy steps. And often people are on multiple things. And so you don’t know. Let’s say you’re on 3 different drugs. 173
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Which one do I start with? Do I step them all down 25%? Or do I step down one? Or do I go completely off one and stay 100% on the 2. 174
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: That’s why I like people to work with their prescriber. But if if they’re that kind of person that’s gonna do it themselves. And it’s a simple step of you know of of a light medication, so to speak. Then that’s then that’s how it generally works right, and that and the and the reason it can be very successful is that a lot of times what people will try to do is, they just try to go cold turkey 175
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: mit ctl, and off of their off of whatever they’re trying to get off of, and they don’t have something to step onto. They don’t have a natural option. So there’s I mean, there’s all kinds of articles. I’ve written about this. A lot of 176
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: people who feel like they’re stuck on their antidepressants because they’ve tried to go off, and they eventually get to a point where they just feel awful, and they have to go back on so they feel normal again. But with step down therapy. If you have that natural thing like a fundamentals or a mood plus or something like that where you’re stepping, not off into oblivion. You’re stepping on to something that’s helping you maintain that balance. 177
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: It can make them. It can make the process a lot easier for people. So does that make sense, or does that not make sense to anybody? If you want me to clarify any, any piece of it. 178
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: and I’m gonna look in the chat here and see if there’s any. 179
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Patty, what do you it says. Where do we find that I missed it, and it really wanted to see that. What are you talking about? 180
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: The fibro and that I haven’t posted it yet. Yeah, I just recorded it last week right before, right before the convention, and so it’ll it’ll probably go live. I’ll let you guys know when it goes live. I’ll post it. I’ll post it all over all over the different channels. 181
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: And taking the Med with this is a good question. Taking the medication with the natural. What would the time spacing be? Would it be like? Would you have to separate them? 182
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: That’s a good question. I usually don’t even talk to people about that. I think they just take them at the same time. I mean, you know a lot of these medications you’re taking. 183
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: You’re taking them, you know, first thing in the morning, or I guess a sleep drug. You’re taking them before you go to bed. I would I would take them at the same time. I think that’s the I think that’s usually the standard way to go, because your your like, your goal is to eventually get completely off 0 milligrams of the synthetic. And then, whatever the dosage is, the, you know, the recommended dosage of whatever the natural, you know regimen is that you’re going for. So I like when I do it with people. I just you know I have them. I have them do it at the same time. 184
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: and it usually works. It usually works pretty well. 185
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: kids coming off sleep meds to start on calm, start in calm and step down along with working with the doc. Yeah. So if you, if you, if you are on heavy duty, sleep medications, and you and you are able to work with an open minded prescriber, then I would, I would highly recommend that but, like you know. 186
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: with melatonin, we’ve we’ve done it with corn, grass and melatonin. I’ve done it with corn, grass, and Lunesta and Ambien and I mean you name it. You know the sleep drugs are are fairly easy for people to get off of. If they have that other thing. It’s very difficult. Once you’re on something like Ambien, it’s very difficult to get off of it unless you have something to help, you know. Help your body do what it what it needs to do naturally. 187
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: And the only other one I want to talk about. This one just came in today, and I figured I would I would discuss it here. One of my favorite topics actually to talk about. 188
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: and it has to do with cortisol rhythm. So in the stress module. I talk about cortis cortisol rhythm 189
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: right? That cortisol is your body’s primary stress hormone, and we don’t want it to be too high. And usually when we’re talking about cortisol, we’re talking about cortisol overexposure. You’re and the and the and the typical scenario looks like this. You’re you’re stressed out all the time you’re during the day you’re not getting enough sleep. So during the day your cortisol levels rise at night. You’re not getting good quality sleep. So your cortisol levels 190
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: cannot dissipate enough. So they so they, you know, they come down a little bit, but they don’t come down enough. And then the next stressful day your cortisol levels go back up again, and then they don’t come down enough. So you’re over that 24 h period you are over exposed to cortisol. And that’s a bad thing. It it causes all your tissues to break down. It interferes with your neurotransmitters. It interferes with your with your metabolism 191
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: does a whole bunch of bad stuff. But 192
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: it’s not just about high cortisol. People can also have low cortisol. This is people who have quote, and I’ll do this in quotes again, adrenal fatigue. Typically have low cortisol, not high cortisol. But that’s a snapshot in time. That person with high with adrenal fatigue. 193
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: probably, or almost a ho, almost definitely at 1 point in the past, had high cortisol. And so you had high cortisol, and it didn’t dissipate and high cortisol, and it didn’t dissipate and etc. Etc. And you did that for weeks and months, and maybe years, and after a while your adrenals didn’t really fatigue. They can still make cortisol. 194
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: but they lost their sensitivity, meaning they don’t know now when to produce and when to not produce cortisol, so it’s just easier for them to not produce anymore. And so now you’re in a low cortisol situation. So when I talk about cortisol 195
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: repair, so to speak, what we’re trying to do is restore that cortisol rhythmicity so that it’s high in the morning, and it’s low at night, and then it’s high in the morning, and then it’s low at night. That’s what we want. We want cortisol to sometimes be high and sometimes below. But what a lot of people end up! Getting is medium. 196
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: So they they’re too high when they’re supposed to be low, and they’re too low when they’re supposed to be high. And what happens there is that when they’re supposed to be high and they’re only medium, they’re tired, and when they’re supposed to be low and they’re medium, they’re agitated. And so you go. That’s the person who is tired and wired 197
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: right? And that’s what describes adrenal fatigue. And so the solution isn’t to either lower, lower, lower or raise cortisol. It’s to both lower and raise cortisol. And the way to do that is, with adaptogens. So things like Ashwaganda and pine bark and magnolia bark, and a whole bunch of other ones. 198
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Will help to restore that cortisol rhythm. And so it’s it’s confusing. Sometimes when somebody will say, Oh, I have. This person has high cortisol. What would you recommend? And I recommend something, and then they’ll say, I have. This other person has low cortisol. What would you recommend, and I recommend the same thing because the adaptogens will help the adrenal glands 199
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: wake up, it restores their sensitivity to the question of Should I produce cortisol, or should I not produce cortisol? If my, if my, if my cortisol is low and I need it to be high, I want to produce more, and if my cortisol is high and I want it to be low. 200
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: I want to produce less. And so restoring cortisol rhythm is what’s really important. And so that’s important, not just for how we feel. It’s important for how our body repairs. And so the other part of this question was. 201
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: cortisol. Rhythm is really really important for tissue repair. So if you’ve had an injury, or if you have, you know well, injury injury is probably the best way to way to describe it. You actually wanna have high cortisol during one phase of that injury repair and low cortisol during another phase of that repair. So just like inflammation. Right? You guys have probably heard heard me talk about inflammation. Sometimes you want high inflammation. Sometimes you want lower inflammation. You don’t ever wanna have 202
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: just one or the other. It has to be this this cyclic pattern, because sometimes inflammation is protective, sometimes high cortisol is protective, and sometimes sometimes you want it to get out of there. So if you wanna keep the tissue from becoming any more damaged. 203
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: you want to have high inflammation. But if that high inflammation sticks around. You can’t get into a healing situation. High inflammation is like it’s like a tissue protection phase, but you need to get rid of that. 204
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: so the tissue can start repairing itself. So cortisol and inflammation go very, very, very, very sort of hand in hand. And the you know. So first part of her question was about cortisol rhythm. I answered. That second part of the question was about tissue repair, and once you restore that cortisol rhythm, you will restore inflammatory rhythm, and you’ll you will enhance you’ll enhance tissue repair. So the tissue. 205
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Sometimes the tissue can get in a situation where the wound is just sort of stuck, so to speak. You have damaged tissue that is not repairing itself. And if you and if you do these things that I just talked about, the tissue will start to heal itself again. 206
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Does that make sense to everybody, or is, or does anyone need clarification on that it’s usually easier on these webinars to say, do I need to keep explaining that? And then people can raise their hands or ask for more information versus like cause I can’t like. Look around the classroom very well and be like, Okay, am I getting blank stares, or am I, or is it or people getting it. Okay, I think you guys are getting it so 207
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: alright. And oh, dear, don’t jinx yourself. I don’t want to jinx myself, but I just started releasing weight after starting kids calm. Can can I ask you to unmute 208
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: here? I’ll do this. 209
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Deirdre McLean: Yeah. Why don’t I think that might be 210
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Deirdre McLean: what? Why do you think that might be? I think it’s my stress levels. And you know I love my mood and my kids, mood and all my other products, and I’ve tried it all, and I take lots of all of it. 211
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Deirdre McLean: But somehow, before bed, you know, the kids moved, I mean, the kids. Calm calmed me down 212
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Deirdre McLean: and my sleep is not perfect. I’m still waking up a few times during the night, and I came home. I got a little sick. but I’m noticing that when I am sleeping like between waking up. 213
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Deirdre McLean: I’m in a deep sleep, so I think sleep is being restored, and hopefully if longevity and sleep is the word I don’t know that will increase. 214
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Deirdre McLean: but at least my pockets of sleep are better. So. You know I know the importance of sleep. It just was so elusive to me. 215
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Yeah. And it’s one of those things where, if you’re sl, you know, I said, I think I said this in the in in the launch. If your sleep is off, everything is off right. I mean, no matter like if your sleep is off it, it. It’s it’s 216
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: like, then you’re then you have to exercise even harder the next day, and you have to eat a better diet the next day. It’s like. It’s such an important thing that I don’t think so. I don’t think 217
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: I don’t think enough. People are are are aware how how important it is, and if we can just tweak it a little bit, you know, naturally, and make it better. You know, then people have have stories like this. So what is the magic number, for I, you know. I started with 2, 218
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Deirdre McLean: and then I did 3, and I woke up. I could barely get out of bed, but that coincided with being sick, so I don’t think it had anything to do with 3. 219
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Deirdre McLean: So what is the magic number? But I’ve been afraid to go back to 3. Yeah, no, I think I think 2. I think 2 for most adults is going to be is going to be just fine. I don’t think I don’t think there’s any additional 220
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: need necessarily for for for going to a higher dose. 221
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: so I would just I would just stick with that. 222
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Deirdre McLean: and they are delicious, and they work 223
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: good. I’m glad we’ll talk. We’ll talk more about sleep 224
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: in the next. In the next one, either either next week or the week after. I’ll let you guys know. Thanks for sharing that there today. 225
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Okay, Patty, you’ve got your hand up. 226
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Patty Sherwood: Quick question. I have ordered the call. 227
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Patty Sherwood: and I haven’t received them yet, but I presently am taking the seat. 228
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Patty Sherwood: Sleep plus and 229
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Patty Sherwood: relief. So 2 sleep plus and 2 relief at night. Yeah. 230
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Patty Sherwood: when you’re just talking about that. I have a sleep number bed, and I was looking. I started it last 231
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Patty Sherwood: Thursday, and since then my numbers have been eighties and low nineties for sleep. I’m looking normally at 60 232
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: I’m excited, though, about trying to calm. How should I do that? What should the dosing be, or should I not mess with the sleeping dog at this point. Well, I was. I was going to say that if if you’ve got a regimen that is working right, so like lowering inflammation can be a good thing to help people sleep increasing melatonin and lowering cortisol, increasing gobble, like all you know, all these aspects of sleep biochemistry. It it sounds like you’ve got. 235
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: You’ve got it dialed in right, and you’re going in the right direction. I almost wouldn’t want to mess with it. I think I think if you did wanna use the the gummies instead of a capsule? I would I would. I wouldn’t take them both right. I would. I would decide which one you wanted to do and take 2 gummies or take 2 capsules. Whatever you decide is the right thing for you. I still take. I’m still gonna take the capsules, because, like, I’ve been doing that for years, and it works for me. And I’m not gonna switch over. So 236
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: okay. 237
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: yeah, and then somebody put in Cheryl put in here that her aura ring the last 3 nights show deep sleep and rem improving. So that’s that’s good that you know. That that shows objective data, so to speak, that we’re going in the right direction. There 238
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: does leaky gut cause one to me more prone to hernia issues. 239
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: No, I don’t think so. 240
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: yeah, I don’t think so leaky got the problem with leaky gut is that it really throws a monkey wrench into every aspect of metabolism. It. It interferes with insulin, therefore it interferes with blood sugar, it changes appetite, it increases inflammation, it throws our immune system into disarray. So the 241
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: the guy who’s posting this video for me about Long Covid and Lyme and fry borough and and chronic fatigue, he he replied back, he’s like, yep, great video, you know. I’ll have it up in, however long he goes. This one. You talk about leaky gut, too, and I sent him another one recently that had leaky gut. He goes. You need to do one just on leaky gut, because it seems like it’s a common denominator 242
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: across a lot of these problems that you talk about mental wellness problems, and you know. 243
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: etc. And so I’ll eventually do one just on just on leaky gut. But it really, it’s probably gonna be a longer one, because if you have leaky gut like I talked about in the module. 244
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: it just it just interferes with everything, and there’s one where we can talk about it really, openly. Leaky gut is not a disease, right? So there’s no diagnostic while there are diagnostic criteria scientifically, but from a medical perspective. It’s very difficult for you to go into a clinic and be diagnosed with the disease of leaky gut. 245
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: And and and the reason for that is why do you think that is? Why do you think Leaky gut isn’t really recognized as a disease? Yet, even though we have dozens and dozens of scientific studies on it. 246
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Anyone know why 247
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: put it in the chat? If you think you know. 248
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: come on, someone has to know. 249
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: because it affects so much is not practical to fix. Yeah, you guys are, you’re getting warmer. 250
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: It does affect so much. But look at, look at 251
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: look at syndromes like, you know, chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia. Those are. Those are. Those are diseases now, and they’re and they’re hard to diagnose 252
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: because they don’t believe such a thing it’s hard to diagnose. Stephanie got it. There’s no pharmaceutical for it. There’s no Ophel. 253
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: so if there’s no pill and you can’t go into a clinic and say, here’s your disease. Draw the line across to the medication that I’m going to recommend for you. 254
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: What, what, what, what 255
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: like? Why, am I gonna waste my time, you know. So I and I and I say that like very dismissively, because sometimes that’s that’s how it is. As soon as some pharmaceutical company comes up with a pill to treat leaky gut, and we know there are things that naturally treat it zinc carnesine, and different prebiotics and glutamine, you know, amino acid. There’s all kinds of ways that we can help. Leaky gut 256
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: but they but they can’t be. They can’t be pharmaceuticalized, you know. So 257
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: I guess good and bad, right? Good, good for us, because we can recommend natural approaches to help people in all these really meaningful ways. 258
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Yeah. But if there’s if there’s no, if there’s no pill, there’s no money, there’s no there’s no 259
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: yeah, there’s no profit in it. So anyway, don’t get me on that soapbox. Alright what time we got. Oh, we’re just just barely over the top of the hour. So let me do this. Let me just open it up. There’s nothing else in the chat that I need to discuss. Let me let me see if anybody wants to mute and and chit chat. Yeah, go ahead, Leo. Here. 260
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Leo Ferreira – Adelaide, Australia: Now. I had previously sent a discussion one on the female who’s had that genital herpes for since 24, and now she’s 60. She’s allergic to mushrooms. You said right? Yes. So for the sink, do you have 261
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: what I had? What I had suggested was you know any sort of re like residual infection like that? If we can prime the immune system, so the immune system is better at identifying that infection. Sometimes you can get it out of there. And so what I recommended was Beta Glucans from yeast well immune Alpha Glucan mushrooms. Hcc is is, you know, one of the brands is there 263
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: you? So I don’t have other recommendations. Unfortunately, she might try something like if you can increase autophagy in the cells, sometimes that can help the cells repair themselves at a at a sort of a 264
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: higher level of quality, a higher level of of efficiency, and that can sometimes help. And so the best way to do that is Japanese asparagus extract, which is in super food. So you could try that the other thing I would, I would suggest is 265
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: a lot of times with with these Glucan extracts. They’re so purified that there’s no residual mushroom, so to speak, and so she might be okay with it. The Acc in particular isn’t the fruiting body of the mushroom. It’s not the part of the mushroom that you would eat. It’s the underground mycelium portion, and II can’t imagine that somebody would really have an allergic reaction 266
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: to something that is so extracted to be just a Glucan right? The Glucan is a sugar structure, and typically an allergic reaction is because of a protein structure, and there’s no residual protein there, so that would be up to her, depending on how severe her allergy is. Does she want to risk it or or not? 267
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Leo Ferreira – Adelaide, Australia: Yes, it does. And super food is not available in Australia. 268
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Wow. yeah, then then I guess the other thing you could say is, is, If is antibiotics there? 269
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Yes, yep. So antibiotics, then, is, gonna is gonna indirectly help the immune system 270
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: because of what it’s doing at the level of the microbiome. Right? So think of it this way right? We can’t. If if she’s not, gonna go with Glucans to directly prime her immune system, then the secondary way to help her immune system is to help the microbiome, which is what controls the immune system in the first place. So if you have a better microbiome, you’re automatically gonna have a better immune system. So that could be that could be the workaround that she needs to do. 271
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Excellent thanks, Sean. Okay, yeah, sure. 272
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: And then, Donna, maybe we’ll maybe we’ll close it out with you. 273
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DONNA KOENIG: Okay, I know you’ve talked about this before, but I just don’t remember exactly the reason. If you are sensitive to a food, and it would have showed up on like an Mrt or food sensitivity test. And you’re taking like the extract of that food. So the mango, or whatever another one is. What is the reason that you said that the extract is typically not 274
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: something that a person would have reaction to? Yeah. So so when you’re looking at at food allergies, the allergy is to a protein. Right? That’s what our. That’s what our body mounts. An allergic reaction to is a is a foreign protein coming into the body. And so if you’ve done an extract of the plant right? So let’s say, mango. 275
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: The person is allergic to a protein in that mango. And if you extract just out a polyphenol or a polysaccharide, or something that’s not the protein. 276
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: then there’s nothing there to be allergic to. 277
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Does that make sense? Yeah. So it’s it’s something from the plant that you like. The body doesn’t mount an allergic reaction to a to a polyphenol. For example, right? 278
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DONNA KOENIG: Go ahead. Yeah. But there’s a difference between sensitivities and allergies sometimes. So it would work with either the same way. Usually. Yeah, usually. So like, if and and it comes down to what I just said, Leo. 279
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: it like, what’s their level of comfort to say like, do I wanna risk getting a rash, or a stomachache, or a headache, or what like whatever their whatever their symptom is from that. From that sensitivity a lot of times. Sensitivities are just a a mismatch between your your gut could be your microbiome could be your mucus lining could be your leaky gut could be your level of inflammation. Whatever 280
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: a mismatch between what’s happening in the gut and the food. And if you change the environment of the gut now, you don’t have that mismatch anymore. And a lot of times people will have a problem with. I used to have a problem with spinach, or I used to have a problem with whatever. And now, if you get some of that food, you go. Oh, I don’t have that problem anymore. It’s because you change the environment of the gut. 281
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Thank you. Okay. 282
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Alright. Well, thanks for joining me this week, you guys, I will post up when the when the one is is this time good, for, like most people like, I’ve been choosing this sort of 780’clock, because it seems to be good for for people, and 283
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: in the eastern part of the world and the western part of the world, and it’s not too late for Americans. So but let me know. Let me know. In the chat, in the, in the discussion. If if you guys want 284
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: different time, like some people have said like, Can we do this in the middle of the day, and maybe I’ll do some in the middle of the day, too. So 285
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Leo Ferreira – Adelaide, Australia: alright! Thanks, Shawn, alright. See you next time. Bye, bye.

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Exercise physiologist (MS, UMass Amherst) and Nutritional Biochemist (PhD, Rutgers) who studies how lifestyle influences our biochemistry, psychology and behavior - which kind of makes me a "Psycho-Nutritionist"?!?!

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