CMWC Webinar (Oct 13, 2023)

In our Weekly Webinar for Certified Mental Wellness Coaches, we discussed the research underlying the “food & mood connection” – and then had some lively Q&A and client troubleshooting.

The replay video is HERE and the transcript is pasted below.

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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Yeah, let me get the recording going. I don’t want to mess that up alright. Welcome everybody to our lunch and learn. Does anybody actually have lunch. 2
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: No, no lunches. I have a cup of coffee that’s about. That’s about as good as I’m getting today. What is that? Is that happy juice or some concoction of 3
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: thereof. 4
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: I did a little video yesterday yesterday, yesterday, the day before, I was mixing up my happy juice and my phone binged, and it was a question about happy juice. And so I answered the question back. 5
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: And then I thought, Well, what the heck? I might as well answer this on video. So I answered it, put it on Instagram, and the the most comments that I got was how I say pajamas. So when I go to sleep at night. I wear clothing. 6
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Pjs, that II pronounce it pajamas and all the comments are about teasing me about how I pronounce that apparently more people say pajamas, which is, I think, is a strange way to say it. But anyway, that’s neither here nor there today we’re gonna talk about these 2 new papers that came out. So let me go and see if I can share my screen. 7
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And I wanna do this one first. 8
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Alright. So let’s see if this worked. Can you guys see that? Can you guys see the American Psychological Association paper? Okay? Awesome. 9
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: So I wanna talk about this one. I wanna talk about one on Leaky Gut. I just yesterday did a video about all about Leaky gut. It ended up coming out just a little under an hour, and I talked a lot about leaky gut and how it impacts your immune system and autoimmune system conditions and inflammation and inflammatory conditions and metabolism and metabolic issues like diabetes 10
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: and and weight loss and things like that. So that will get posted up. Yeah, it needs to be cleaned up a little bit. And I’ve got some social media people helping me build out a new website and things like that. So that’ll go up there in the next 11
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: couple days couple of weeks, but and we’ll talk about that when we talk about the next paper. But I thought this one was really cool. It came out a few days ago. It was actually written back in June. But what what the Apa did was they? Were they re-released this on 12
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: World Mental health awareness Day. Which was this past Tuesday, was it Tuesday? Yeah, it was Tuesday 13
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: as a way to get people to realize there’s lots of things you can do for your mental well being one of the most impactful being nutrition. And so this has been, this article has been posted up into the discussion section, and I posted up this exact one that you see here, which is the highlighted one. So if you don’t have time to read through the whole article. It’s it’s a it’s a pretty extensive article. Might be. Might be 15 pages or something like that. 14
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Yeah, 1215 pages. Something something like that. If you don’t have time to read through the whole thing, you can just go through and look at some of the highlights. The reason I wanted to post it up like this into the into the 15
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: discussion area is so that you guys can download it and have a P. And and have the Pdf. With the live links in it. So if you wanna go and dig into any of the papers or any of the resources at the end. They’re all they all have linkouts. And so you can just click on those. And you know, grab the paper from American psychologist or or the the this one from the landset, or this one from lancet, psychiatry, etc. Okay, so I like doing that, because then you you’ve just kinda like a a richer 16
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: library for you to for you to 17
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: for you to focus on. But what I liked about this article is that it went through, and it gave some very specific examples of all the different ways that that nutrition can impact overall mental well, being. So sometimes it’s talking about things like vitamins and minerals for supporting brain function. Sometimes it’s talking about fibers and phytonutrients for supporting 18
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: the microbiome and your gut integrity. So it takes some time, if you if you will. It’s not required for the course. You know this is just extra reading material, but I think they do a really good job of breaking things down and like I said, you’ve got a you’ve got a highlighted version here. I just wanna high. II just wanna point out a couple of of of 19
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: topics within the highlights. And the first one I want to point out is this, there’s still a heck of a lot of this, you guys. If you haven’t experienced this yet trying to go out there into the world and be a certified mental wellness coach, and actually practice your craft. 20
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: If you haven’t experienced this skepticism and dismissiveness about what we do, you will. It’s only a matter of time. I’ve been doing this now for for more than 20 years. Nowadays. You guys have heard me say this like nutritional psychology up here wasn’t even a field when I started doing this work, you know, almost 30 years ago. 21
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: And and now it’s a whole field, you know, whether you call it nutritional psychology, or you call it nutritional psychiatry. It’s it’s a new scientific discipline. And there’s lots and lots of people that have no idea. And and and couldn’t even fathom that nutrition, or a fiber, or more phytonutrients, or switching from a processed food diet to a more whole. Foods. Diet could not just be 22
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: therapeutic for something like depression, but could actually be preventative for developing the disease. In the first place, right? But we have the data. We have lots and lots of data. And it’s getting to be a 23
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: a bigger and bigger data set, you know, by, you know, week by week by week, because of some of the studies that you see in here. But there’s still a lot of this dismissiveness out there. I’ve I’ve had. I’ve had physicians who just tell me, you know things like, well, you know, you know, nutrition isn’t really a science, you know, like physics, or like chemistry, or like something. And I’m just like, oh, good grief! 24
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Just because you didn’t learn about it in medical school doesn’t mean that it was not important, right? So anyway, th you know, the the dismissiveness is out there, and you just have to sort of roll your eyes or or be able to pull out an article like this that’s fully referenced and say, well, you might wanna take a look at, you know some of the newer research and educate yourself. So let me go. Let me go through. A few of these. So 25
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: This is one of the very first studies looking at fish consumption, and sort of like the Scandinavian diet, and why that can help with depression. And then a woman here, I know she’s on probably the next page. Let me see if there’s anything on here. Here’s the here’s the link between process and ultra processed foods, which is a which is a which is a big big factor. I think this statistic right here. 57. I think that’s an outdated number. I think it’s more like 26
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: 70% right now of the Us. Calories are coming from ultra processed foods. And in the leaky gut video that I just did, I made a big point of one of the most important things that people can do to reduce their leaky gut or heal their leaky gut is to is to take that number down, whether it’s 57, or 67, or 70, or whatever that number is 27
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: and make it less. You know, any any time you eat more whole foods and less processed foods, you’re taking that processed food number down. And so it’s never going to get down to 0. But if it can get down to 28
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: 10% or 20% or 30%, that’s better than 29
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: 60% or 70%. 30
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: so there’s some. There’s some. So there’s some data about that. I always make a big point about this every time you eat something every time you put something in your mouth you have the you have. You’ve made a choice to take your microbiome and your gut integrity 31
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: in a good play, and your mental wellness in a good direction or a bad direction right every single time. And that doesn’t mean that we need to be zealots about, you know, only eating good foods, but on on average, you know, on 32
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: on par. So, so, so to speak. We want to make sure that we’re doing it more often than not. 33
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: So what I like about this article, too, they break it down by 34
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: by condition. One of the things I don’t agree with in this article, and let me let me say this before I forget somewhere in here. They say there’s they they’re talking about. There’s good data for getting the right nutrients and Adhd, there’s good data for getting the right nutrients and depression and there’s not good data for getting the right nutrients and anxiety. And I think it’s I think that’s more 35
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: how you sort of slice and dice the the studies. So A lot of what’s getting a lot of what is able to be done now 36
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: with these food and mood studies is something called a Meta analysis, where 37
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: a lot of the studies that have been done are fairly small studies. And I wanna see, like, does anyone know why nutrition studies are pretty small, like a lot of times. Drug studies, you know, if you’re looking at a new diabetes drug or a new heart disease drug or something like that, the studies are 38
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: thousands of people, you know. There might be. There might be 3,000 people in a study of a new antidepressant, but but but nutrition studies you might have a study of 20 people, 30 people. The studies that we do here will do. Let me let me think. We just wrapped up 2 studies. One was a weight loss trial, where we had 39
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: think we had 80 people in it, which is decent, and one was an allergy study. 40
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: and I think we might have also had 80 people in that one. But we do studies sometimes where there are 40 or 50 people. Does anyone know why? 41
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: You don’t have the funding. That’s always that’s always a big piece of it, like, if you have a drug study, one of the things that they end up doing is they’ll spend, you know. They’ll spend millions of dollars, and they’ll get 20 people from this clinic and 20 people from this clinic, and 20 people from this clinic, and you do a multi-site, you know. 42
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Study, and then you bring them all together. And so you’ve gone, you know, 2020, 2020, 2020, 2020 times, 100 times 1,000 different clinics around the country. And you get you get 3,000 people in your study because you have the resources to do that. You have the money to pay the clinicians to do the visits, to do the you know, the blinding and the randomization and all that kind of stuff. And whatever analysis you’re gonna do, if there’s blood work or 43
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: microbiome testing, or whatever so, fund funding is definitely a piece of it. It’s easier to pop a pill than to modify your diet. That’s one of the big pieces. It! They’re hard 44
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: dietary intervention. Studies are really really difficult. So the funding piece of it is 1 one thing. 45
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: the the and and the and the and the funding and the and the 46
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: the the complexity sort of go hand in hand with each other. If you’re gonna get people for, like the longest nutrition studies that we end up doing are 12 weeks. That’s what our weight loss study. Just was 12 weeks to have to follow a group of people for that period of time and be really really high touch with them, checking in with them, making sure they’re following the regimen that you want them. On making sure you’re taking their supplement. Make sure that you know that they’re not going on a crazy diet they’re adhering to, you know, whatever the recommendations are. 47
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: that’s 48
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: time consuming. And because it’s time consuming, it’s expensive. And so you can’t do nutrition studies that are these giant thousands and thousands of people unless you’re looking at survey studies. Right? Those are the only ones that end up being thousands and thousands of people, and those are epidemiological studies which are good for certain things. You can see associations between, you know, vitamin d intake and immune system function or fiber 49
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take and microbiome diversity or something like that. But you’re not gonna be able to do these big 50
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: intervention studies where you’re where you’re really changing something. The other thing, the other thing that’s interesting, comparing nutrition studies to drug studies that I think a lot of people don’t really, quite understand is that when you so so typically you’ll have. And let’s just make it really simple 51
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: in a study, in a double blind placebo controlled randomized study. You’ll have one group that gets the placebo and you’ll have one group that gets the active agent with a drug you. The placebo group 52
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: is going to be 0 of the drug 53
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: in the drug group. It’s let’s let’s let’s let’s say it’s a hundred milligrams of of drug X, right? So you’re comparing a hundred milligrams of drug X to 0 milligrams of drug X, you can never do that in a nutrition study. Let’s say you’re studying vitamin C, right? Just to make it simple. You can study a hundred milligrams of vitamin. C, right? That’s what you’re giving the active group. 54
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: But this group can’t be 0 milligrams of vitamin C, otherwise they’d get scurvy before the end of the study. Right? There’s the the nutrition studies are always some amount of whatever nutrient you’re looking at, or some amount of whatever intervention you’re looking at versus a more amount. 55
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: and you can never escape that. And so that’s one of the things that really boils my blood is when pharmaceutical people say, you know. Well, you know you have to do these randomized placebo controlled blah blah. You know all that kind of stuff. That’s the gold standard. And it’s not really the gold standard with nutrition interventions, because you can never have that complete 56
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: differentiation between the between the 2 groups. And so, you know, that’s a that’s that’s something you always have to take into consideration when you’re 57
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: when you’re analyzing these things. But where I was starting to go with this so, Sherri, where you can find this article, it’s in. It’s in the discussion section of your canvas. Okay? And I think I think somebody, I think somebody else answered that where I was going with this is that now we’re able to do these, these really cool, statistical kinds of studies called meta-analysis, where you can take the you know, the 20 people that 58
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Felice Jacka studied in Australia and put them together with the 30 people that I studied in America, and put them together with the with the 55 people that that somebody else studied in South America, you know. So you can combine studies now. So what ends up happening there is that you can sometimes get better statistical power, so that if something didn’t quite show a statistic. 59
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: statistical significance in a study of 20 people and something else didn’t quite pop in a study of 30 people. Now you’ve got a study of, let’s say, 200 people, because you were able to bring all these data sets together. And now you’re able to find things that weren’t quite showing before in a drug study. One of the reasons that you wanna have 3,000 people in your data set 60
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: is that a lot of times, the effect of that drug is actually really, really small. And if you only did a study of 20 people or 50 people or 80 people. You wouldn’t find that in your statistical analysis small effect sizes need 61
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: giant populations of people to show statistical significance. So that’s another thing a lot of people don’t understand about drug studies is that they’re not just big because drug companies have more money and they want to study more people. They have to study more people in order to show that they’re they’re if their intervention is better than a placebo. Okay? So 62
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: so there’s that, too. I don’t want to talk too much about statistics, but it’s like we’re getting to a time with these nutrition studies, where we have lots and lots of small studies, and we can start bringing them together in these meta-analysis 63
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: scenarios. So this is a meta analysis of 16 randomized, controlled trials, dietary interventions significantly reduce depressive symptoms, although they had less effect on anxiety. One of the reasons for this is that one thing that a meta-analysis is sometimes not great at doing is 64
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: the differences between the groups. So when you do a study like this, you might say, Okay, here’s our inclusion criteria. We’re looking for people who are between the ages of 30 and 60 who are moderately overweight, who are moderately stressed, who get less than 8 h of sleep, and and who have been diagnosed with depression. Right? So that that could be the inclusion criteria for one of those 16 studies 66
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: mit Ctl. And the inclusion criteria for the next study of those 16. So study number 2. The people might be a little bit older or younger, it might be a little bit heavier or lighter, they might be a little bit 67
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: more depressed or less depressed. They might be taking medications or not, and so, you know. 68
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: So so there now, the third study might give me getting people with any mood disorder, so it might be somebody with depression and somebody with anxiety. But but they’ll screen out people with Adhd. Right? So just those differences in inclusion criteria aren’t always captured in a meta-analysis. And what you end up. Getting is all right now. We now we grouped all these together, and for whatever reason. 69
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: there’s more of an effect on depression and less of an effect in anxiety. It just as easily could have been the other way based on who they got in those studies. So there’s there’s enough overlap sometimes between depression and anxiety, where 70
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: most of the time, if you see an effect in one, you’re going to see an effect in in the other. Not always, but so so take this with a little bit of grain of salt that like, I think somebody could read this and say, Oh, diet’s effective for treating depression. But it’s not effective for treating anxiety. And II think that would be a misreading of actually what the what the data shows at this point. Okay. 71
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Are there any? Are there any questions about that? Let me stop there and sit. That was a that was a long rant of mine. Are there any questions about about that sort of idea. 72
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: this is one of the original studies, the smile study that Felice Jacka did in in Australia. They have a wonderful group there. You might even wanna get on their mailing list. At some point. If you go to her university is Deakin University. It’s right here. Let me see if I can highlight it. Yeah, right there. Can you guys see that highlight in blue? Okay, so Deakin University, if you just if you just google them up and look for their food and mood center. They do. A nice newsletter that they send out. 74
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: What the heck is it called now International Society for Nutritional Psychiatry Research, or something like that. So that was an organization that was started there at Deacon. And now it’s got hundreds and hundreds of members all around all around the globe, which is, which is, which is pretty cool, which is, which is, which is neat, that there’s lots of good researchers in Australia. There’s lots in Europe. There’s lots in Brazil. 76
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: There’s lots in. Where else in the Uk. There’s lots in the Us. There’s lots in Canada. There’s a few in Asia. I hopefully will make some more inroads there. But what’s cool about that is that you see the same story everywhere. You know that if you’re if you’re low in this nutrient, your your risk of a mental wellness. 77
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: problem is gonna be higher. If you’re low in fiber, your mental wellness problem is gonna be higher. So like, we’re seeing the same thing in all these in all these industrialized countries, which is, which is not, is not good. But at least it’s at least it corroborates what we’re what we’re all seeing in our in our individual places. 78
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: so here I highlighted this. This is one of the big findings from from Dr. Jack’s study. After 12 weeks 32% of those in the dietary group had no reported symptoms of depression. That’s a depression cure 79
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Right? That’s at the time when this study came out 2017. That was big big news. And that’s not that long ago, right? This was the first time that this had really been shown 81
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: dramatically in a clinical setting like that and and quantified so you know again, this field this field isn’t isn’t all that isn’t all that long. Dr. Ruck Rucklidge, where is she? I know she’s in here somewhere. 82
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Julia Rutledge 83
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: mit Ctl. And she is a kiwi. She’s in all right here. A lot of her work looks at micronutrient supplements, so vitamins and minerals 233, 84
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: and vitamins and minerals seem to be particularly good for adults and children with Adhd. There’s all kinds of other things we can do. We’ve talked a lot about saffron here, Theanine. 85
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: What else is another good one? Pomegranates 86
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: pine bark are all really good herbal support for Adhd, but her work has really raised vitamins and minerals which are sometimes thought of as like a boring thing to study. But when I was at the the International Society for Nutritional Psychology Research a couple of years ago, right before the pandemic. I remember there was one session all about micronutrient intake, and it was it just it blew my mind right. I know the area pretty well. 87
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: the area of research pretty well, and researcher after researcher after researcher, got up there, and they were all from different parts of the globe and said, Here’s our national food intake data, nutrient intake data. What you can see is nobody is getting the optimal intake of any of these 88
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: 8. Most important. 10, most important, 12, most important nutrients, and how they correlate with mental wellness problems like depression, anxiety. Adhd. So you know, the woman from the Uk. Would get up and show her data, and then somebody from Australia would get up and show their data, and somebody from Canada would get up and show their data, and some from the Us. Would show their data. 89
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: It was all the same. It was. It was from their country, but it showed exactly the same thing that nobody was getting the the optimal level of any of these nutrients. And they were all leading to these, you know. 90
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: sort of gut brain gut brain problems. And the reason, of course, is what I started talking about 20 min ago, which is the processed food diets that we all have, you know, we call it the Standard American Diet. But it really is. It’s a standard European diet. It’s a standard Australian diet. It’s a standard British diet. It’s anywhere that’s an industrialized society is eating the same thing which is high in calories, high in sugar, high in fats, high in artificial stuff 91
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: and low in nutrients, low in phytonutrients especially, and low in fiber. And you know at this point, depending on where you are in the class, you know that all those things impact mental well-being in different ways. 92
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: So let me page down this, see how see how much great info is in this article. All these great links out to the, to, the, to the primary. Research. There’s a little bit in here about Microbiome Research. This was a really nice one. I actually didn’t didn’t know. 93
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: didn’t know that there was a study on this in humans. So here’s the highlight children of women with greater gut microbiome. Diversity in pregnancy had fewer anxious, depressive, and withdrawn behaviors than toddlers whose moms had less diverse gut microbiomes during during pregnancy, so we know that if we know that over the course of pregnancy 94
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: a mom’s microbiome is getting less and less diverse. So you can measure the microbiome at each trimester and say, here’s where it started, you know. Let’s say, okay, Diversity. Second trimester less diversity. Third, trimester terrible diversity. And then she delivers the baby. And we’ve talked about. At least I’ve put it in the, in the, in the module on this topic. 95
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: having a low diversity, microbiome is a red flag for developing depression, developing anxiety, developing Adhd, maybe even developing some, some, some aspects of autism. So the mom, what she really needs to do post delivery is bounce back her diversity 96
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: to as high as possible as quickly as possible, because that will also predispose her low diversity. Microbiome will also predispose her to developing postpartum depression, postpartum anxiety, those sorts of things. So so we knew that about Mom, we also knew that moms that had 97
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: So let me let me stop there. We also know from animal trials that same thing happens right? You can. You can actually go and switch out the microbiomes after do fecal microbiome transplants, and you can show that it’s due to the microbiome it isn’t due to isn’t due to something else. 98
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: I didn’t know this, that if you could maintain a that microbiome diversity during pregnancy. The kids are less anxious, less depressed, less less withdrawn. They have better behaviors that makes sense. I just didn’t know that there was a trial on that right. I know there was a trial showing the bad side. I didn’t know there was a trial showing the good side. So that’s really good information. And you can see it’s pretty new. It’s pretty new data 2021. So I’m gonna go dig into that a little bit, and maybe maybe update 99
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: putting it into practice. This I thought, was that was something that was important for us to talk about. Which is, we talk a lot here. We talked a little bit last week. We talked a little bit almost every week about scope of practice, right as mental wellness. Coaches. 101
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: you know. Where do we have to draw the line? We wanna be able to give as much information, as much education, as much motivation to our clients as possible. But we don’t wanna be practicing medicine. We don’t wanna be treating diseases. We don’t wanna be, you know, overtly saying, Stop, take that drug and replace it with this herb, like, you know, we don’t wanna get into any of that prescribing kind of stuff, but 1 point that this article makes and think about. Think about who they’re 102
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: let me let me make sure. I don’t lose my place. I’m on page 11. Think about who this organization is. Talking to American Psychological Association. They’re mostly talking to psychologists 103
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: and mental wellness counselors, neither of which have prescribing ability. Only psychiatrists will have that prescribing ability. And so they wanna make it really clear that let me get back down to where I was. 104
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: They want to make it really clear that that this isn’t prescribing, giving education and talking about nutrition, and talking about herbs and talking about natural therapies and lifestyle interventions that’s not prescribing. And you shouldn’t feel that you’re 106
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: your scope of practice if you’re giving this information. And so they make a very specific point about that. There’s enough good information available that clinicians can safely incorporate it into their practices without concerns about scope of practice, particularly if they’re giving general advice or guidance. And I think that’s what we’re doing right. We’re not portraying ourselves as licensed counselors. We’re not portraying ourselves, as you know, licensed healthcare practitioners. We’re all certified. We’re all trained at a certain level to give. 108
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: to give advice about how to improve your mental wellness. Is there any questions about that? 109
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: So, Dana? If you don’t, if you don’t see that in there, I’ll I’ll post it up in the discussion section. I’ll go find it and and put the link in there about about signing up for the for the Deacon University food and mood, Newsletter, I’ll go. I’ll I’ll make a note of that right now, so I do it right after the call. 110
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Okay, colleen, saying, I get comments all the time. Are you a medical practitioner when I’m suggesting nutrients, herbs, probiotic strains exactly. Yeah. And you know what I say when I say back to that is, you don’t want a medical practitioner giving you advice about nutrition. Right? They just 113
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: they don’t know anything. It’s just not part of their training. II say this all the time there’s a there’s a very famous cardiologist who is now portraying himself as a as a nutritionist? Right? And I won’t. I won’t tell you his name. Well, maybe I maybe I will tell you his name. 114
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: he. He has a big social media following. He talks a lot about these compounds called lectins that are supposed to be so dangerous for us, and you never want to take lectins, and you find you find lectins like lectins are just these 115
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: polysaccharide compounds that you find in tomatoes and egg plants and beans, like some of the healthiest foods on the planet are full of lectins. And he says, don’t ever eat lectins. They’re gonna they’re basically gonna kill you, and people get all crazy and they go. Have you seen? Have you seen this guy Gundry? And he’s an MD. He’s a cardiologist, really good cardiologist like cardiac surgeon. 116
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: but he’s not a nutritionist, and so the joke that I make to people is, I’m like, listen, you don’t want to take nutrition advice from from Gundry on the Flip side. You don’t want me doing your heart surgery right? So 117
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: different people have different expertise in different areas, you know. So 118
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: figure out where you’re getting your information from all you know us right away. Yeah, he’s all over the place, I mean, he sells, you know he sells some kind of pretty crazy supplements, too. But anyway, I think this is well within our scope of practice. But as long as we just stay in away from the danger areas that we’ve talked about before. Okay? And I think it’s I think it’s pretty easy to do that and still give a lot of good information. 119
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Over time. People just notice they feel better if you were digestive issues. And then further reading, there’s a whole bunch of other, you know, really good linked out resources here. Okay, so there. 120
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: there’s that I’m gonna stop to share on that guy and see if there’s any. 121
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Maybe we’ll take. Maybe we’ll take a little intermission here before we go into the leaky got article. 122
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: did, Gina. That’s terrible. I have a friend that won’t eat any veg because of him. Yeah, exactly like, why. 123
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: it’s just it’s it is absolutely mind boggling where sure Lekkins can be bad if you eat a lot of raw lectins. If you ate a whole bowl of raw tomato skins, and a whole bowl of uncooked, unsoaked beans or you ate a lot of eggplant skins 124
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: where the where the lectins are. Yeah, that might be bad. But as soon as you prepare those foods, as soon as you make a tomato sauce, and then pour it on top of the eggplant Parmesan that you just took out of the oven, and you have that 125
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: with with a you know, a side of black beans. It’s probably not a very good combination. But you guys get my point that have been soaked and cooked. The lectins, then actually become 126
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: prebiotics. So you know, that’s that’s an example of good processing, right? We don’t want to take those foods and eat them raw. We want to eat them after they’ve been slightly processed and the processing there is cooking them. Once you cook a lectin it actually becomes extremely good for your gut instead of you know his premise would be that they’re damaging for the gut. 127
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Patty Sherwood: Yes, sir. I have a vitamin d deficiency am on 129
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Patty Sherwood: all of my supplements. We don’t have a vitamin d supplement. Do you recommend one, or is there something I can be taking for this into winter in Indiana? And so I always try to increase it. And I’m like, what do I do this year. 130
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: I’m about 2 weeks out from starting my extra vitamin d supplement. I start taking my vitam, my extra vitamin d supplement on November first, and I will take it, probably until 131
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: April first May first, because where I live, and you know, near Boston, the the sunlight at this time of year, or pretty soon. This time of year is not strong enough, even when I’m outside in the sun, to help me make vitamin d. So you really need to increase your amounts, invited Gbx. And I’m pointing behind me because I know the bottle is sitting right there on the shelf. There’s 1,000 international units which is good enough 132
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: during the summer months, but it’s not enough during the winter months. And so what I usually tell people is, get an additional 5,000. So and you can vitamin d is such a commodity. Now, there’s a zillion companies that sell that sell fine ones. So you can just go literally. You can just go on Amazon and pick 133
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: anyone that looks that looks decent to you. Ii can’t remember the name of the one that I use. I’ve been using the same one for years. It has coconut oil as the oil inside of it. Just cause that’s a that’s a nice medium chain, triglyceride oil. Some vitamin ds will use sunflower oil, or something like that. That may maybe, is not the not the best oil for you to take. So. But there’s but there’s lots of there’s lots of choices out there. 134
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Yeah. So, Gina, this is, this is this is this is what the premises right? So the you know the idea is, and it’s not just. It’s not just excuse me, it’s not just Gundry that talks about this. Now. 137
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: a lot of the like carnivore people will say, hey, you should only eat meat. Vegetables are bad for you. Here’s why. And the premise is this, vegetables are poison and contain toxins to ward off bugs, which is, which is true. So polyphenols, for example. Right those are. Those are 139
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: a a bug comes and bites a blueberry, the thing that makes the blueberry blue is a polyphenol that’s really really bitter. And when the bug bites it, it gets that bitterness, and it says, Oh, gross! And it flies away right or crawls away, or whatever it does, it goes away, and it goes and bites on something else that’s sweet. 141
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: that bitterness is. It’s not killing the the bug. It’s an insecticide in the sense that it’s getting the bug to go away. So it’s it’s protecting the plant from that insect. We get that exact same protection when we eat that thing. So one of the reasons that bitter is a really good thing for us is that and we people don’t like bitter because it tastes bitter here in your tongue. 142
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Your gut has bitter receptors, and so your G. When your gut senses those foods, it’s good for your gut integrity. It’s good for your mucus lining. It’s good for your blood sugar control. It’s good for your mental wellness. It’s like your body wants to sense that bitterness, and that’s why something like a polyphenol, rich diet that has lots of berries, lots of citrus, maybe maybe coffee, maybe tea. Maybe. 143
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: you you guys get the idea. They’re all bitter compounds. And that’s I mean, that’s why a lot of the supplements that are in the umra line are in capsules because they’re so bitter. Edge would be really really bitter because it’s got 144
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: it’s got 3 high polyphenol ingredients in there that would be super super bitter. If it weren’t flavored and sweetened naturally, but like there’s no way you could take that in an unfavored form, it would be like you’d spit it back into the glass because it would be so super super bitter. So yeah, plants make those to protect them. But by us ingesting them. And we’re only ingesting them at these at these small levels. Right? Think about the 145
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: magnitude of a size between a human and a and a and a bug. Yeah, it’s it’s it’s it’s it’s a terrible, terrible twisting of of what? The of what the science really is. There? 146
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: How the heck do you raise your hand? Oh, you figured it out 147
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: okay. And I click on this and says, what happens when I click on that, it says, ask to unmute. Does it something pop up on your screen? 148
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: It did. It did. But I think I could have unmuted. Yeah. 149
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Colleen Sullivan: alright good. Good. Sorry I missed you out in Salt Lake City this last time. 150
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Colleen Sullivan: Yeah, total Fomo. 151
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Colleen Sullivan: so I have a couple of questions around kids. But I just wanted to say how timely this was. My last couple of Instagram shares were tied in with, and I know you love her as well. Dr. And I do around. 152
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Colleen Sullivan: Yeah. And yeah. So great great timing. So I’ll be able to share some of this stuff. 153
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Colleen Sullivan: So 2 questions around kids and personal clients of mine. One a mom just started her. I think she’s about 4 or 5 year old. 154
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Colleen Sullivan: The kids, you know, for focus and mood. 155
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Colleen Sullivan: And she already had a little bit of constipation. So I told her to go slow with the fundamentals. But her constipation, just like elevated out the Wazoo like she. She said she was ready to take her to the er 156
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Colleen Sullivan: so wanted to some suggestions around constipation and kids when they’re on our products. 157
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: So I’ll let you answer that one before I yeah. So with with kids, it’s tough. So if it’s if it’s adults, the easy thing to do is to tell them to take antibiotics in the morning and digestive in the evening right before they go to bed. 158
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Because then, what they get is they get that motility enhancer, that that combination of artichoke leaf and ginger root that really helps that it starts in the stomach. The stump empties faster. There’s better digestion in the small intestine, and there’s better elimination from the large intestine. So that’s the that’s the easy thing to do with adults, with kids. If they can’t swallow capsules. You can’t really empty the digestive into 159
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: to something else. It just it is. It’s awful. The enzymes are gross. It just it’s really really hard to mask in something else. So that’s so, that’s tough. You you’re you’re probably gonna laugh at this colleen. But the like one of the most effective things is a is an old wives tale. Where you you drink 160
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: You drink a glass of warm lemon water with a little bit of salt in it. So there’s 2 ways to do this. You can drink it. you can. 161
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: The easiest way to do is drink it right when you wake up in the morning again. It’s a kid. So they’re gonna make a face about it. It’s like they’re not gonna like doing it. But it really does get things going. So make sure they’re hydrated, too. In general, a lot of times constipation is a is a side effect of being dehydrated less so than the than the gut really having any problems of its of its own. 162
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: But you were right to have them start. Start slow on on antibiotics. You don’t want it to. 163
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: It doesn’t usually bind people up. But you could also try one of the probiotic strains in the probiotic product. Is a is also a motility enhancer. It’s it’s one of the Lactobacillus strains. I think it’s 164
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: to Culturel, which is, which is a motility sort of thing. It’s I usually recommend it for travel travelers diarrhea, but can also help with constipation. 166
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Colleen Sullivan: So call Terrell is like the over the counter. 167
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Yeah, culturel is one you can find at pretty much any grocery store. And so that’s that’s lactivacillis Ramnosis, gg, the one that we use in probiotics is lactivacillis ramnosis. LR. 32 168
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: pretty much capsules would capsules. Yeah and so, if you if you so those you could empty into something because they’re flavorless. You’d lose a little bit of the potency because that particular strain doesn’t survive stomach acid. All that. Well, but you’re not gonna lose all of it. So you know, you could take you could take a capsule or 2 and just empty them into a little bit of juice and have the and have the kid 169
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: and have the kid just drink it down if they can’t swallow capsules. Okay, but if she can swallow capsules, would you suggest, like one probiotic or one digestive even? Or yeah, I think I think that would be perfect if she’s able to swallow. Yup 170
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Colleen Sullivan: my other one around, Kit. Thank you so much. I’ll pass on to her. 171
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Colleen Sullivan: Around kids is I? I’ve had a client. She’s had her 12 year old. School issues, behavior issues. Adhd, focus the the whole gamut 172
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Colleen Sullivan: on the kids products. And then I even introduced energy and edge to her. 173
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Colleen Sullivan: To mix with the fundamentals. She’s not seeing improvements. She’s seeing improvements with focus, but not behavior. 174
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Colleen Sullivan: Like school is just a real issue with the behavior stuff. And I’m 175
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: II kind of ran out of things to how old is she? Do you know? Her son is 1212. Okay. 176
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Focus on the good, you know. Do you happen to know how he’s sleeping? 180
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Could it be related to like. go ahead. 181
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: she’s going to start the the kids calm. I think the I think for for so this might be straying a little bit outside of of a scope of practice right? But I think behavior issues will respond really, really well to using kids mood in the day. And kids calm in the night. 182
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: They work on some of the same neurotransmitters, but in in quite different ways. And so it could be. It could be kind of a serotonin thing that’s happening with this 12 year old. It could also be being 1212 year, old boy. He might be starting early puberty, you know, and then you’ve got you’ve got the whole 183
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: sex hormone issue going on. So, and that’s a whole nother thing which I wouldn’t try to. I wouldn’t try to intervene with yet, at least until until you try this. But I think kids mood and kids calm, that combination might be might be a sweet spot for them. 184
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Okay, yeah, she can. So great. Okay? Sure. And somebody put a donna put in here, too. This is this is a great recommendation for your for your constipation, kid. Try adding ground flax seeds or chia seeds to smoothies and oatmeal and stuff like that, you know. Just get a so they’re they’re they’re fiber sources. But one of the things that’s good about them is that they 185
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: they’re they’re like gelatinous fiber, so to speak, so they’re they’re less likely to to cause a binding problem like a lot of times. People will be like, Oh, constipation! Give fiber, and sometimes it can make, sometimes fiber can make it worse. But these kinds, especially chia tends to not have that that kind of a side effect. 186
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: alright. And let’s go to. Let’s go to Jessica. 188
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Jessica Ballard: Hi, hey? Okay, I have a question. I have 2 questions, actually. My daughter, she’s 4, and she has 189
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Jessica Ballard: Candida overgrowth in her stomach. She doesn’t have any other like she’s I have a yeast infection. But 190
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Jessica Ballard: She’s complaining about her tummy. and I’m wondering what to do. Besides, like his fundamentals. 191
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Yeah. How? How did how do they know that? That she has a a yeast overgrowth in her stomach? 192
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Jessica Ballard: Well, so I went to. I took it to the pediatrician, and he told me, oh, it’s probably parasites. 193
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Jessica Ballard: and they said, Give her this anti parasitic. And I was like, I’m not gonna give her an anti parasitic if I don’t know that’s what it is. So I did 194
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Jessica Ballard: a hair DNA scan for her and it flags like what is going on in your body, and fungus was the top thing that her body needs support with. 195
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: But she has her tummy is hurting. She her bum itches, and her vagina itches, and she just complains about her tummy hurting. So the itching is is a is a classic sign of like a like a Candida or some some sort of a fungal sort of a thing. So 196
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: so you might be right about that. I was. Gonna say, it’s it’s it’s rare to have a candida growth in in the stomach like you see them mostly in in, in intestines. Just because the ph of the of the stomach, or is acidic enough where it typically. 197
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: it typically kills off almost almost anything that would that would try to grow there. So 4 years old, you said, though, right? Yeah. Yeah. And she hasn’t been on any antibiotic. So I’m 198
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Jessica Ballard: how about swallowing capsules. Is that a possibility or no? 200
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Jessica Ballard: No. What I’ve done is, I have like opened up capsules and just put it in orange juice. 201
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Jessica Ballard: and I’ll just have her drink it, and then she just drinks some water after to help with the taste. 202
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: So my! My my recommendation would be kind of like what I was talking to colleen about like digestive would be the would be the best thing to try kids. In fact, kids, fundamentals and digestive. In fact, you might. You might be able to. 203
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: You might be able to put a a capsule of digestive into the kids fundamentals and mix it up and have it. 204
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: invisible so I would. I would try that, because then what you end up getting is you get you get digestive enzymes, but you also get that motility enhancement which a lot of one of the reasons that I talk so much about motility, enhancement is that 206
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: the speed at which food moves through the gastrointestinal tract has a huge impact on the overall ph levels. And you know, acid-base levels. And so that is really really important. The environment of the gastrointestinal tract is really important for what grows and what doesn’t grow. And so, if you have the right Ph, because you have the right motility, the right, the right transit time. 207
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: You set up an environment that only can grow good stuff and doesn’t grow bad stuff. So if there’s bad stuff there it dies off. Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes sense. 208
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: A whole seminar that I did on on sweeteners. And I talk about artificial sweeteners like sucralose and aspartame, and things like that. And I talk about the natural non nutritive sweeteners, like 209
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: stevia, etcetera, etcetera Stevia is the only one, or Stevia is the one that I still like the best of all of them. They all have sort of, you know, pros and cons to them. 211
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: What I like about Stevia is, and this is good because I talked about bitter compounds just a few minutes ago. 212
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: The reason Stevia is so good is because it has sweetening effect, but if you extract it the right way, it also has that that bitterness after taste. That’s one of the reasons a lot of people don’t like Stevie does anyone? I can see a lot of people have their cameras on, and a lot of people don’t of the people that have their cameras on. Just raise your hand if you can taste the Stevia bitterness, the after taste of Stevia. 213
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: How many of you? No, there’s some people who are shaking their heads, and there’s some people who are raising their hands. I’m gonna put up both my hands. I get a wicked Stevia after taste. Some people don’t get it at all. 214
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: And that’s why people don’t like Stevia because of the bitterness when all the stevia that we use at Amari 215
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: we retain the bitter after taste, and even though people don’t like it, it’s good for us, and it’s good specifically for those bitter receptors in the gut. We use different kinds of stevia, depending on depending on the product. So with with with these natural sweeteners, sometimes they’ll be sweeter upfront 216
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: and have a bitter after taste like Stevia. Sometimes there’ll be like a brighter sweetness that happens earlier or later. Sometimes they’re a sweetness that can mask a bitter component. Sometimes they’re a sweetness that can make a bitter component worse. And so you have to sort of play around with all the different ones. So when I say different, Stevia’s, it’s all the same Stevia leaf. 217
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: But then you extract it in different ways. So sometimes we extract it to be really potent. Sometimes we extract it to be less potent, depending on what we’re trying to use it in. So it’s it’s it gets kind of complicated. But from a microbiome perspective, Stevia is the best one because of because of what I just described you can do. You can do test tube studies to show that 218
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: anything is bad, and I think that you know the sugar industry has done some of these studies to say, Oh, Stevia is bad for the microbiome. Oh, Xylitol’s bad for the microbiome at these massive doses, but actually at a small dose, which is the dose we use than that it’s good for the microbiome, and it’s good for the gut integrity. So it’s sort of like a 219
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: almost like a dose is the poison sort of a scenario. But think who’s funding those studies? They want people to get a question mark about. Wait a minute. Should I take Stevia, or should I just go take sugar? Should I take a diet soda, or should I just go get the full sugar soda right? If there’s this question, and people are like, I don’t know I didn’t. I read something about that, sweetener? You’re just gonna go. Well. 220
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: maybe I’ll just go back to my standard American diet right? It’s it is. It is the tobacco model that the food companies are calling right now. It’s really, it’s really sad. But 221
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: All right, let me go. Let me go. Look at the chat real quick, and see if anything’s popped in there. 223
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Let me see this one, Catherine put in a long one here, and let me see, I’ve had a friend on happy juice and meant to sink. She started on reboot and fundamentals and digestive for her. Sibo. That’s been much better. 224
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Any tips! Why, someone would gain weight with happy juice and fit it does have to do with healing. I don’t think it’s water retention, and she’s been on the product since July. So I had a conversation with somebody at convention about this. And it was. It was. It was a really good conversation, because, she said in her group there were a couple of a couple of women that went on happy juice and thought it was it was it was causing them to gain weight. 227
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: And I must have made a face because she goes yeah, me, too. And I said, What me, too, and she said, If you look at she and she’s like I’m a nerd. I went, and I researched every single one of the ingredients across all those 3 products. And if anything 228
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: mit Ctl and those ingredients should cause somebody to lose weight, right? And I said, Yeah, that’s what I was just about to say right? So we had a good conversation about that. The probiotics that we use should help you lose weight. The prebiotics that we use should help you lose weight. The oligonol that we have in edge has great data for weight, loss, etc., etc., etc. So 229
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: any of those 3 products separately should help you lose weight. You put them together. The whole thing should help you lose weight, and there’s lots and lots of people that have gotten unhappy juice, and their story is one part mood and the other part is weight loss. But why? Why has it happened to this person? Why is it happened, you know, to 2 people in this, in this other woman’s group. And I the answer is, II have no idea. There! There’s so many things that can that can 230
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: cause people to lose weight. I did a I did a weight loss signal. 231
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: seminar. That’s up on my Youtube page. And by that, what I mean is, what are the signals that are across our gut brain axis that would drive us toward weight, loss, or toward weight gain, and I talk about them, and I say, you know, there’s insulin, there’s blood, sugar, there’s thyroid, there’s Glip one, there’s cortisol, there’s etc. Etc. Etc. 232
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: So I go through a whole bunch of them, and then I go. Well, there we are. We just talked about a dozen of these signals that can. If if they’re out of balance, they can drive us towards weight gain, or they can at least they can at least interfere with our ability to lose weight. If we drive them the right direction, we can harness those signals and we can help. They can help us lose weight. But here’s the here’s the the sad part of the story. 233
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: We just talked about 12 that we can naturally modulate with, you know, herbs and supplements and probiotics and things like that. But there are probably 234
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: 100, maybe a thousand, of these signals that are going through our body. So if we’re modulating 12 of them, and the one that is driving you to gain weight is number 13. We’re not going to help you, you know. So like that’s the that’s the downside of it. I have. I have a friend who works at a pharmaceutical company on weight loss, metabolism. 235
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: and he tells me all the time he’s like, Yeah, man, I have, like what I work on is is the epitome of job security. He works on appetite signals, and he goes as soon as we shut off this 1, 3 more light up, and as soon as we shut off those 5 more light up right? It’s like appetite and weight, energy, storage and energy. Conservation is the most 236
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: over built, redundant signaling system in the human body. It’s it’s it’s probably people who study this joke around that. It’s probably more robust than our drive for sex, that that we’re driven like we have more of a food drive as from an evolutionary perspective. Than we have a a pro creation drive right? They’re at least equally, you know, depending on who you’re talking to. So yeah, we’re doing a good job for a lot of people who have these 12 237
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: unfortunately we don’t. We don’t have something for them. So I don’t know. I don’t know. I wish we could have a product. That was 100% effective a hundred percent of the time. But that is, that is the Holy Grail. 241
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: So hopefully hopefully that answers the the question a little bit, Catherine. 242
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Let me do that. Gina has a question here, and then I’ll go to the. Then I’ll go to the hands, and then we’ll go talk about the leaky got paper real quick before we end. 243
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: why do we get such a negative response from people about Xylitol? I know dentists love it for cavity prevention. Where does Xylitol come from? So Xylitol comes from birch trees, the bark of birch trees. You can extract Xylitol out of it. So that’s where we get it from. I think. Xylitol and Erythritol. They’re both sugar alcohols. 244
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: They sound very chemically. So I think the I think the name of it is one of the problems that it you don’t know how to pronounce it. It it sounds weird. It’s it sounds like a like a new planet they just discovered. You know, it’s it’s it’s just a weird word. So I think that’s part of it. 245
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: But sugar alcohol is actually can be problematic, and this is another doses, the poison sort of a thing. There was a time in the nineties, maybe early 2,000 s. Where sugar alcohols were the rage when when when we saw this big, low carb push, we’re seeing another low carb push right now. 246
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Where people wanted to eat low carb bars all the time. The way that a lot of food manufacturers would make a low car bar that still tasted sweet is they’d put in 30 or 40 grams 247
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: of Xylitol or erythritol, and so it would taste sweet. And on the label it would say, 0 carbohydrates and people wouldn’t do the rest of their research and say, Well, wait a minute like why does it taste sweet? If it doesn’t have anything in here? It’s packed full of these sugar alcohols. The problem at that level of dosage. 30 or 40 grams versus what we use in our products are. Maybe 248
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: I don’t know 500 milligrams something like that per serving so like thousands of times less, you get a sweetness. 249
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: But if you take a big dose of it, what you also get is, when that gets down into your gut it draws water into your into your intestines. And the the problem with that is that you get bloated. You get a lot of gas and you get diarrhea. And so, yeah, there is a problem with them. But the problem only comes at that really, really high level at these little teeny levels that we use when that Xylitol and arithmol gets down to the microbiome, it’s actually 250
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: it’s prebiotic. It helps to grow. Some of the good bacteria, so Lactivacillis will use it as a food. It doesn’t get much food, because we’re not using a lot, but it’s it ends up having a a slightly good effect instead of a instead of a detrimental effect. Okay, so let me go. Let me go here. And then I wanna I wanna have enough time to get to that article real quick. So Katie Sue. 251
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Eric & Katie Sue Peterson: Hello, okay. So I wanted to ask a little bit more about the Stevia. I know Jessica and I had a question, and I have, because I have another client, too. When they ask Stevia they get stomachaches 252
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: and gas and bloating. So what’s going on there? And you know II don’t know. I hear that sometimes from people, and I don’t. I don’t wanna say it’s not true, but because anyone can have an intolerance to anything. But I think it’s, I think, with something like that there, there shouldn’t be anything in there that is, that is causing a problem. I will tell you a problem that is, that is real, that that that sometimes happens with people. 253
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: so I think what might be going on there like they, they might have some degree of leaky gut. 254
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: And then, you know, you’re taking something that’s a high potency, Sweetener. And because you have an inflamed gut, it might be exacerbating that problem a little bit. So a lot of times. If people do have those kinds of reactions, you can say, Well, let’s let’s give you. Let’s have you take whatever that product is with food. And now you have some food that gives you like a protective coating, so to speak, and you might have less problems. 255
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: But but the problem that sometimes can happen with people is that if you are 256
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: low blood sugar levels. Sometimes these non-nutrative sweeteners, stevia, xylitol erythritol monkfute katemfei you know those sorts of things can sometimes exacerbate your drop in blood sugar, they can send you hypoglycemic, and again, the same recommendation is to take them with food, and that usually alleviates it until your body gets used to it. 258
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Eric & Katie Sue Peterson: a lot of Stevia with a lot of different powders like in your drink in the morning, you know. That could possibly be too much. It could be a dose thing like people that’s probably the biggest 260
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: side effect, so to speak. And if people can’t see me, I’m doing the air quotes side effect that people get when they, when they come into Amari or come into Keani because they get all excited right? They’re brand new. They probably haven’t been having a good intake of nutrients, and they go. Oh, my gosh! I need to feel good right away. I need to. You know, I’m going to start taking these 5, 6, 7, 8 products. And they start taking them all at once, and they go. It made me feel sick. 261
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Well, of course, it’s gonna make you feel sick, because it’s probably more nutrition than you’ve gotten in the last year, and you got it for breakfast. 262
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: you know. So that’s why that’s why we always say go slow, like colleen was saying just a few minutes ago. Alright, thanks so much, Shawn Dana. 263
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Dana Lewis: I mean, you might get to this hi about leaky got when we when in the class you talk about how many vegetables, or how many sources of fiber 264
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Dana Lewis: we need on a I think it was a weekly basis, or was it a daily basis like, what is that number? Yeah. So that number that 30 plant challenge that I talk about isn’t specifically for leaky gut. It’s more for improving microbiome diversity. So 30 plants, 30 different plants taken during a 7 day period. So during a week. 265
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: And so, if you get that, 30 different plans is associated with sort of like the peak where it like, where it starts to plateau out of of of microbiome diversity. So you want a lot of diversity, and if you only had 10 plants it would be lower diversity, and if you had 20 plants it would be more, and then 30 plants would be more, but 40 wouldn’t be that much more than 30. 266
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: So 30 is sort of the target that we give to people. And it’s for plants, or is it for beans also, or is it spices? Counts 267
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: fruits, vegetables, and any of that so like like once you start widening it like that you go. Oh, my gosh, this is totally doable. 268
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Dana Lewis: Yeah, okay, cool. I just wanted to make sure we had my fax right? For some reason I had a hundred in my brain that you had mentioned that you needed 100 different varieties of fibre. Maybe I made that up. No, you should. You should totally try to do that this week, Dana, and then you can report back to us. 269
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Dana Lewis: No, you can’t get it. You can’t get it. I started making a list. That’s why I wanted to know in the chat how many people think Dana can totally do it. A 100 plants this week 270
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Dana Lewis: how many plants are in this. I can have a hundred of these this week. 272
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DONNA KOENIG: I know that screen came down and like covered the mute button. Ii didn’t catch the name of the woman with the young child right now who has the problems with like candid inner gut, or it would have just like texted her. But I’m an Ntp a nutritional third practitioner, and I’m in a really good gut healing course right now, it’s like next level where you use the Gi map’s really good. 274
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DONNA KOENIG: Yeah, with with the Mrt, which is a food sensitivity test, and one the most recent one of the more recent case studies we were working on was almost that exact situation. So I love amori products. I just wanna say that. And I think they work. I really think they work. They help me, but I think sometimes there are situations where you have to take a back step be more targeted to get better, to then use Amara like on a 275
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DONNA KOENIG: so that’s where I am. And if she would want any information about that, II was sitting here saying, Should I open my mouth, or should I be quiet? Because it’s not about our products and what you’re trying to teach? But it’s fine cause, either. Right? Right? I mean. 276
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: I’m the chief science officer at Amari. So I talk a lot about Amari products and the ingredients that we use in Amari products. But the course is completely separate from that. So we’ll talk about other products. We’ll talk about other interventions here for sure about that, because we did get like we do get protocols on what what to do, like, how to read the test, the protocols. 277
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: It’s really thorough. One thing, one thing we don’t have in the Amari product line, now that I that I hope will launch sometime soon is like is what I refer to as a killing regimen. Right? We don’t have anything that I can recommend to people to say, let take this, and it’s gonna kill your Candida overgrowth, or it’s gonna kill your sibo, or it’s gonna you know. Bind your your heavy metals, or something like that. We don’t have anything in the line right now. 278
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: and you know at some point I think it’d be important for us to like that. 279
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DONNA KOENIG: That’s hard if you have to kind of look at the individual person, too, because more sort of therapeutic clinical kinds of products. Yeah, yeah. But then you get better. And Amari is so wonderful, you know it really is. And and but anyway, I just wanted to mention that 280
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: just in case she would want any. Okay, that’s awesome. 281
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Yeah, you can even put that kind of stuff in the in the discussion area, right? And so the discussion area. Let me say this, too. I want the discussion area to like. 282
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: I wish there were a little bit more activity happening in there. Right? So there’ll be a couple of questions, you know, every couple of days. I go in and answer a few questions, and that’s great. But you guys should feel free and empowered to go in there. And you see a question you want to answer. Please do so like. If you have some experience in whatever that area is, jump in there, don’t wait for me to, you know. I’ll come in and give my 2 cents worth. But I’d love to. I’d love to hear from you guys as well. 283
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Okay, so let’s do this. We’re over. We’re over the top of the hour. I’m gonna answer these last 2 questions from Katie, Sue and Shelly, and then we can talk about. We can talk about the leaky gut paper next time there’s a highlighted version of it posted up in the discussion section. If you guys want to read it ahead of time. Okay, Katie, Sue. Go ahead. Okay. Sorry. One more question. I wondered about the I know about the enzymes. When you 284
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Eric & Katie Sue Peterson: cook a vegetable, you kill the enzymes. But what about the 285
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Eric & Katie Sue Peterson: the bacteria? What about the microbes in it? What happens to that with heat? It really depends on the degree of cooking. So it’s a little bit of a of a 286
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: of a of a fallacy that just cooking something kills the enzymes like, I know a lot of the sort of raw food. People that’s like that’s their that’s their north star. They’re like we eat raw food because any cooking is gonna kill the enzymes. And you need the enzymes. True, you need the enzymes 287
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: but light cooking light prep, you know, not overcooking something. You’re you’re you’re still gonna have an enzyme activity. There. You’re not gonna change the fibers. You’re not gonna change the the phytonutrients. You’re not gonna change the vitamins minerals. 288
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: I think once you boil something. You’re pretty well killing the microbes that are in there. You know. So like if you if you ate an apple. You know you’re gonna get 3, 4, 500 different species of microbes from the from the apple when you bite it. If you were to press that into apple juice. Cold, press it. You’d maintain the microbes, but then, if you cooked it and you made apple sauce out of it. 290
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: you’d probably get rid of all the microbes at that point. 291
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Okay, that’s kind of what I thought. So 30 plants that are raw. 292
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Shelly Taylor: comments. I guess. So I do live blood analysis. And I’m seeing like a hundred percent of my people are full of like parasites and fungus 294
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Shelly Taylor: just this day and age and our sad diet and stuff so on it. Me being 50 using Amari products, I wasn’t really getting the 295
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Shelly Taylor: desired effect. I guess you would say so. I of course I checked my own blood and stuff, and I do have parasites and bacteria from this, whatever that’s not helping me out any, and I’ve actually taken some of the Amari Mari products and made a protocol to help people 296
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Shelly Taylor: cleanse. I guess you would say, and get back on track. So there are marty products will give them the desired effect that they want, although we have to do step 1, 2 and 3. So step 3 is your reboot, and then step 3. Is your Gbx fit and burn and restore from Keanu, and then 297
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Shelly Taylor: I have to get some other stuff involved in that. But just on that one talking about the little one with the fungus, or fungal infection or bacteria infection, or whatever. 298
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Shelly Taylor: That’s just what I’m seeing in my business and what I’m doing. So just a little heads up if people aren’t really getting their desired effect. One of the things that maybe they should check into is parasites or 299
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: that fungal stuff. Yeah, that’s that’s great. Shelly, you know, if you’re if you would be comfortable with it if you wanna if you wanted to post up that protocol in the in the discussion area, I’m sure people would, you know, could benefit from that if you if you feel like sharing it, and I’m really glad that you have gbx burn in there because after burn laws, I don’t know if I’ve told you guys this story. I’ve told it to other groups before. 300
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: But soon after that launched I got a lot of people saying. 301
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: Hey, is there something in burn that is helping people pass parasites like pass parasites in their stool? And 302
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: I would get pictures sent to me of people’s toilets right? So like, talk about tmi, right? Somebody gets off the toilet and looks back and goes. What the heck is that, you know, because there’s there’s there’s parasites in their poop 303
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: because they’ve they’ve been passed through, and what I had to start explaining to people is, yes, Gbx Burn can help with that, because it wasn’t an intended sort of an effect like, we’re not gonna claim that in our marketing material, but the 2 African spices, the glomerata fruit and the grains of Paradise. That’s how they’re used traditionally in Africa. So we have them in there because they have this thermogenic effect. They help you burn calories from your food. 304
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: So you have less calories to store as fat later. But th they like the traditional uses. After you eat, you take these spices to? To to be anti parasitic, because there might have been something in that food. That is, gonna that is gonna start, you know, setting up shop in you. So yeah, so we’re like, we’re seeing that in real life with people. So it’s it’s concerning if you’re not expecting it. Yeah. So. Thanks. Thanks for sharing that Shelley 305
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Dr. Shawn Talbott: and I think we’ll stop it there because it’s 12 after I got to jump on another call. But next week there won’t be. I’ll post this in the in the announcement section. There won’t be a webinar next week. I’m going to be traveling internationally, and I’m just not sure what the what the time zones are going to be. So I will post up when the next one’s going to be okay, and I’ll see you guys. Then bye, bye.

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Exercise physiologist (MS, UMass Amherst) and Nutritional Biochemist (PhD, Rutgers) who studies how lifestyle influences our biochemistry, psychology and behavior - which kind of makes me a "Psycho-Nutritionist"?!?!

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